The Capo's LH Gallery and Self-Help Thread!
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The Capo
godless Heathen
Sounds somewhat similar to what I am doing for the Diplomacy mod and its modules. I have a question for you; is there any way you could help me fine-tune the personalities for my leaders? I have a bunch of new ones and some modular civs that I would like to be more refined. The guy who was doing them for me before seems to have disappeared, so I would really appreciate it if you could help me out with this because it is something I think my mod could really use.
The Capo
godless Heathen
If you give me a couple of hours I can put up a Vercingetorix version of Clovis for you.
The Capo
godless Heathen
Sorry about the triple-post!
I just realized what you meant by this. Sorry about that, but you should be more specific next time. The link on the OP is now fixed, as is the Mongkut link, but both files were updated in the DB.
I just realized what you meant by this. Sorry about that, but you should be more specific next time. The link on the OP is now fixed, as is the Mongkut link, but both files were updated in the DB.
Wow... someone has a lot of free time! But, seriously, if you can do this it'll be great.
Edgecrusher
King
Yea, I can help out. Just let me know who/what you are looking to have done.
If your curious, I generally give the new LHs personality values based off of what "it feels" like they should be, given the ranges that the standard game has. I play a game, (or at least 1/2 of one), and see where they end up on the scoreboard and how they are to deal with. Making adjustments as needed.
The "it feels" part is always a pain, and is generally just a guess based off of Biographies from Wikipedia and other sources.
However, exceptions are made. I know 1 exception off the top of my head was, I have Kim Jong-Il, a BuildUnitRand of 50, (the max was 40), reason being he has one of the largest militarys in the world based on the population of the country.
I also made him an somewhat of an isolationist (similar to Tokugawa), he isn't a warmonger, but will declare war on occasion. He generally is at the bottom of the scoreboard, except when someone else initiates a war against him, since hs has such a big military he is generally ready for the attack and takes over the aggessors cities.
If your curious, I generally give the new LHs personality values based off of what "it feels" like they should be, given the ranges that the standard game has. I play a game, (or at least 1/2 of one), and see where they end up on the scoreboard and how they are to deal with. Making adjustments as needed.
The "it feels" part is always a pain, and is generally just a guess based off of Biographies from Wikipedia and other sources.
However, exceptions are made. I know 1 exception off the top of my head was, I have Kim Jong-Il, a BuildUnitRand of 50, (the max was 40), reason being he has one of the largest militarys in the world based on the population of the country.
I also made him an somewhat of an isolationist (similar to Tokugawa), he isn't a warmonger, but will declare war on occasion. He generally is at the bottom of the scoreboard, except when someone else initiates a war against him, since hs has such a big military he is generally ready for the attack and takes over the aggessors cities.
The Capo
godless Heathen
I wish I had more actually.I've been out of town the past week or so, and I am off today and considering it is New Year's Eve tomorrow I'm not going out tonight. So I basically have nothing to do, plus I really don't think you should be using this LH as Vercingetorix as-is, and since it is my LH I'd rather make one you can use as him than suffer through seeing CLOVIS as a Celt.
The Capo
godless Heathen
I'll PM you in a few days, once I get the next playtest ready you'll be able to look at all of the new leaders in my mod (there are no new traits to toy with at this point though) as well as the leaders for the first module pack, which has the Nubians, Phoenicians, Hungarians, Teutonic Order, Huns and Timurids.
Edgecrusher
King
I will look for it.
I can send you the Excel file I have that is a table of all the various categories, with every leaders personality in it. If you wanted to look at it.
I can send you the Excel file I have that is a table of all the various categories, with every leaders personality in it. If you wanted to look at it.
I've been out of town the past week or so, and I am off today and considering it is New Year's Eve tomorrow I'm not going out tonight. So I basically have nothing to do, plus I really don't think you should be using this LH as Vercingetorix as-is, and since it is my LH I'd rather make one you can use as him than suffer through seeing CLOVIS as a Celt.
Actually, I was going to make some changes to him myself, BUT since you offered to help I won't refuse!
Edgecrusher
King
Hehe, I am all for a Vercingetorix LH
Hm, maybe we can start a trend here, misuse LHs to get ones we would like
The Capo
godless Heathen
Well, so far this went pretty quickly. All I have to do is put the BG in and make sure he looks okay in game and maybe I can get you your real new year's gift! What do you think? Its mostly just a reskin, although there are a couple of changes.
The main reasons I didn't want you to use the other LH as Vercingetorix, is not really because I cared that much, but there were so many things that weren't really celtic and were much more Germanic/Frankish going on that it would kind of be stupid. So I'd rather spend time to make it more Celtic/Gallic, which is what I did here...
The main reasons I didn't want you to use the other LH as Vercingetorix, is not really because I cared that much, but there were so many things that weren't really celtic and were much more Germanic/Frankish going on that it would kind of be stupid. So I'd rather spend time to make it more Celtic/Gallic, which is what I did here...
The Capo
godless Heathen
Hehe, I am all for a Vercingetorix LH
Hm, maybe we can start a trend here, misuse LHs to get ones we would like
The main reason I wanted to do this was really to try out my idea for the face tattoo, which turned out pretty good. But whatever, I might even use this in my mod, even though he'll look exactly like Clovis. I think it looks pretty damned cool.
cybrxkhan
Asian Xwedodah
Whoops, double post, sorry.
cybrxkhan
Asian Xwedodah
Not bad. Looks pretty nifty.
As for leaderhead personalities, the technique I use in CotW and WoL - although not as sophisticated as what edgecrusher seems to be doing - is relatively simple and effective. Instead of copying just 1 leader's personality, I mesh together anywhere from 3-5 different leaders together (i.e. diplomatically he acts like Isbella, but he remembers things like Tokugawa, builds up his empire in a way similar to Gandhi, as a nonsensical example).
I haven't done extensive testing on it, but it appears to me that this technique does work. I've gotten some pretty interesting results with it (for example, somehow I apparently made my Hittite leader in WoL some expansion-crazy city builder who had taken over a third of a continent by the early Medieval era with about 12-15 cities, when the rest of us only had like 3 cities or something). It's a technique I suggest for anyone like me who doesn't understand the values in the LeaderheadInfos.xml
As for leaderhead personalities, the technique I use in CotW and WoL - although not as sophisticated as what edgecrusher seems to be doing - is relatively simple and effective. Instead of copying just 1 leader's personality, I mesh together anywhere from 3-5 different leaders together (i.e. diplomatically he acts like Isbella, but he remembers things like Tokugawa, builds up his empire in a way similar to Gandhi, as a nonsensical example).
I haven't done extensive testing on it, but it appears to me that this technique does work. I've gotten some pretty interesting results with it (for example, somehow I apparently made my Hittite leader in WoL some expansion-crazy city builder who had taken over a third of a continent by the early Medieval era with about 12-15 cities, when the rest of us only had like 3 cities or something). It's a technique I suggest for anyone like me who doesn't understand the values in the LeaderheadInfos.xml
The Capo
godless Heathen
I don't know, maybe. I've always seen him depicted with brown hair, but I thought it would make the LH look a little different if it had red hair. Not to mention I doubt he had a face tattoo, and I know they didn't wear their swords on their backs so I mean, its just an LH man...
Edgecrusher
King
Not bad. Looks pretty nifty.
As for leaderhead personalities, the technique I use in CotW and WoL - although not as sophisticated as what edgecrusher seems to be doing - is relatively simple and effective. Instead of copying just 1 leader's personality, I mesh together anywhere from 3-5 different leaders together (i.e. diplomatically he acts like Isbella, but he remembers things like Tokugawa, builds up his empire in a way similar to Gandhi, as a nonsensical example).
I haven't done extensive testing on it, but it appears to me that this technique does work. I've gotten some pretty interesting results with it (for example, somehow I apparently made my Hittite leader in WoL some expansion-crazy city builder who had taken over a third of a continent by the early Medieval era with about 12-15 cities, when the rest of us only had like 3 cities or something). It's a technique I suggest for anyone like me who doesn't understand the values in the LeaderheadInfos.xml
In so many works, thats kind of what I end up doing. I generally try and compare the new LH to an existing one, then alter the values accordingly. I think, much like creating the art for a LH, you need a base to work off of.
Over the coarse of doing this, I made an Excel file with all the leaders from Civ, wrote some formulas (Max, Min, most common, etc..), and did some research as to what the values actually effect.
For example, for Attila, I used Genghis as a base, Looking at Genghis, and seeing how he plays ingame, I adjust the values accordingly, i.e. increasing some aggressiveness values, lowered trading/diplomacy values, increase the "demand" tribute/adjusted values associated with tribute (memory, frequency). In the end you have a completly new leader, with totally unique personality traits, based off of how that leader was theoretically suppose to have behaved.
Deciding these values I use (obviously) internet searches, books i read, but more importantly, I take notes when i watch documenteries. Taking notes when they are on incase they are needed in the future.
As I type this there is a documentary about Cleopatra on talking about how, she was power hungery, seductive, and manipulative. Incidently, when I made her in the past, I gave her high Espionage values and "asking for stuff" values, in addition to a longer memory and war rands that react to the rejection of such demands.
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