The Capo's LH Gallery and Self-Help Thread!

[cybrxkhan]

True. That is basically what I do, except that I don't know exactly what would happen, say, if I increase the Warmongering aspect (I mean I know what will happen, but I don't want to mess with the values and create someone more extreme than Tokugawa or Isabella). So I just combine aspects of different leaders that are similar to the leader I'm working on. For example, if I were to do Meiji, I would combine aspects of Peter (they both were progressive leaders), Kublai Khan (he was also fairly progressive (for his era), and he was imperialistic to some degree like Japan during Meiji's reign), and maybe a few other leaders like Victoria and Catherine, for example.

 

[Edgecrusher]

The game in some instances has the extremes present, we all know Mansa will trade everything, all the time.I dont think there is a way to make someone more of a trade whore. His tradeRands are the lowest (lower = higher chance), and his trade % is the highest. From memory, I think only William comes close.

At one point though, I put some values outside the range the game uses to see what happened for other options.

For example, if I were to do Meiji, I would combine aspects of Peter (they both were progressive leaders), Kublai Khan (he was also fairly progressive (for his era), and he was imperialistic to some degree like Japan during Meiji's reign), and maybe a few other leaders like Victoria and Catherine, for example.

however the question remains, how to know which aspects to use as a base.
Another factor is the values are not absolute. They work together in many respects. Changing one for one leader, and not adjusting another value, could create some conflicting results.
Either way, I dont think it matters much, as long as the general idea on what you want a new leader to do is close, he will behave as such.

 

[IgorS]

I don't know, maybe. I've always seen him depicted with brown hair, but I thought it would make the LH look a little different if it had red hair. Not to mention I doubt he had a face tattoo, and I know they didn't wear their swords on their backs so I mean, its just an LH man...

I might colour his hair blonde then.

 

[The Capo]

I might colour his hair blonde then.

I suppose that's fine, its just that I went through the trouble of retexturing him only to have it changed on me.

As far as all of this discussion about making personalities for new leaderheads goes; you guys better help me out after all this talk. Because now I really want you to do this for me.

 

[cybrxkhan]

The game in some instances has the extremes present, we all know Mansa will trade everything, all the time.I dont think there is a way to make someone more of a trade whore. His tradeRands are the lowest (lower = higher chance), and his trade % is the highest. From memory, I think only William comes close.

At one point though, I put some values outside the range the game uses to see what happened for other options.


however the question remains, how to know which aspects to use as a base.
Another factor is the values are not absolute. They work together in many respects. Changing one for one leader, and not adjusting another value, could create some conflicting results.
Either way, I dont think it matters much, as long as the general idea on what you want a new leader to do is close, he will behave as such.

True. That's the only drawback about my method - leaders may have conflicting personalities (multiple personalities? ). However, I don't think I'd ever have the opportunity to mix, say, Joao, Gandhi, and Tokugawa as one leader. Of course, as you say, it doesn't really matter much, since you'd get a new personality anyways...

As far as all of this discussion about making personalities for new leaderheads goes; you guys better help me out after all this talk. Because now I really want you to do this for me.

What's in it for us?

(Edgecrusher's method may be a bit more consuming, but my method, though I guess a bit more primitive, could work if you're pressed for time or don't want to bother learning what every value does)

 

[The Capo]

What's in it for us?

You get to reap the benefits of my tireless work on LHs and my mod. I made the Leaderhead, so I think its only fair that someone helps me give them a unique personality... you know what I'm sayin?

 

[cybrxkhan]

^Actually it's not that terribly difficult, especially with my method, unlike other... stuff... So I could actually help you out on this one. Actually I could even do it right here on this thread, post the leaderheadinfos.xml if you feel like it.

 

[The Capo]

^Actually it's not that terribly difficult, especially with my method, unlike other... stuff... So I could actually help you out on this one. Actually I could even do it right here on this thread, post the leaderheadinfos.xml if you feel like it.

I'd rather you did it in my mod's thread, I need them for more than just my LHs, and need specific leaders that are in my mod done first (the others are in modules). Also I'd rather try to keep this about the LH art than the XML aspect, although this thread does tend to get side-tracked at times.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Sure. I'm assuming that that would be the Diplomacy Mod, that's currently out of service due to incompatibility with the 3.19 patch?

Also, I just saw the Askia Mohammed you and IgorS were working on - he's wonderful! If I had another West African leader/civ for WoL I'd add him, but, guess I don't have any.

 

[The Capo]

Sure. I'm assuming that that would be the Diplomacy Mod, that's currently out of service due to incompatibility with the 3.19 patch?

Yeah, that would be the one.

Also, I just saw the Askia Mohammed you and IgorS were working on - he's wonderful! If I had another West African leader/civ for WoL I'd add him, but, guess I don't have any.

Well, how many leaders do you have for the Mali?

We have determined, at the Diplomacy planning thread, that the Songhai Empire will no longer be its own civ and will be combined with the Mali, that civ will have Mansa Musa (obviously), Sundiata Keita, Sunni Ali Ber, and Askia Muhammad Toure. Mainly due to the similarities in culture and the fact that they both covered basically the same area.

 

[cybrxkhan]

The thing is that since WoL has "hero" units, some potential leaders have to be... hero units. Also - and this is more personal preference than anything, of course - I don't want to combine Mali and Songhai (to me that would be like combining the Aztecs and the Mayans, but you have your reasons for combining them, of course, so I respect that). Also, I don't want to add way too many civs, since I've already added way too many, and if I had to add more, I'd like more diversity.

Also, I'll be making my entrance into your diplomacy mod thread real soon.

Although, come to think of it, I am adding "minor civilizations / barbarian hordes" to WoL in the far future, ala The J's civ spawn modcomp, so I may add him for a Songhai minor civ. Unless if adding leaderhead art for every minor civ will take up too much space on my dingy old laptop.

 

[The Capo]

The thing is that since WoL has "hero" units, some potential leaders have to be... hero units. Also - and this is more personal preference than anything, of course - I don't want to combine Mali and Songhai (to me that would be like combining the Aztecs and the Mayans, but you have your reasons for combining them, of course, so I respect that). Also, I don't want to add way too many civs, since I've already added way too many, and if I had to add more, I'd like more diversity.

Also, I'll be making my entrance into your diplomacy mod thread real soon.

Although, come to think of it, I am adding "minor civilizations / barbarian hordes" to WoL in the far future, ala The J's civ spawn modcomp, so I may add him for a Songhai minor civ. Unless if adding leaderhead art for every minor civ will take up too much space on my dingy old laptop.

Well, I personally did not want to add the Songhai into the Mali civ. But a lot of the playtesters and such thought I should because, to be honest, there was a lot of overlap with the two civs city-wise. I also thought that, personally, the Songhai should have been a civ in the regular game over the Mali. The Mali just have a more well-known leader, but I think the Songhai had a better Empire and better leaders overall. The Songhai was one of my favorite modular civs to play as, so it was a little sad to let them go. I am replacing them with the Hausa though, thanks to you, although I'm going to do some touch ups on your CotW (well, just flavored units).

 

[cybrxkhan]

Heh heh, glad to be of use. What LH are you using for the Hausa, by the way? The one I used was one of the CivGold ones, since it was pretty awesome too.

 

[The Capo]

Heh heh, glad to be of use. What LH are you using for the Hausa, by the way? The one I used was one of the CivGold ones, since it was pretty awesome too.

I don't know yet, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

 

[cybrxkhan]

I may end up playing around with that leaderhead a bit to make it different from the CivGold one in the long run, like add a beard, maybe some jewelry or other fancy stuff, change the colors around a bit.

 

[The Capo]

I may end up playing around with that leaderhead a bit to make it different from the CivGold one in the long run, like add a beard, maybe some jewelry or other fancy stuff, change the colors around a bit.

I'll take a look at it and give you some ideas.

The one you are currently using is Amra's Sunni ali Ber, which I am going to use as Sunni Ali Ber. So I'd have to make a new LH for my module even if you edited the colors on the current one. Having said that, I'd go in a different direction anyway. Considering he was fifty when he came to power the LH you are currently using looks a bit on the young side for my tastes. I'd probably go with something like this:

Which should be pretty easy to be honest. I'd go with that Oconostota LH from Colonization, then you could use Mehmet's turban along with Qin Shi Huang's attire (slightly modified of course), recolor it so the robe is blue (although I'd go with green, to match the Nigerian flag) and the shirt underneath is white and then a few tweaks here and there to make it look more African and, voila, Usman dan Fodio. OR you could use Cyrus' clothing, and pull out the "shirt" underneath on Qin's robe to simulate that scarf. The LH doesn't have to look exactly like a picture you base it on, this isn't even an image of Usman dan Fodio, but as long as it is similar and the attire is right you should be fine.

I was also planning on using Ekmek's Amina of Zuzuza (definitely spelled that wrong) LH as another leader for it too. In fact I remember being quite surprised you didn't make her the leader to begin with.

 

[cybrxkhan]

I'll take a look at it and give you some ideas.

The one you are currently using is Amra's Sunni ali Ber, which I am going to use as Sunni Ali Ber. So I'd have to make a new LH for my module even if you edited the colors on the current one. Having said that, I'd go in a different direction anyway. Considering he was fifty when he came to power the LH you are currently using looks a bit on the young side for my tastes. I'd probably go with something like this:

Which should be pretty easy to be honest. I'd go with that Oconostota LH from Colonization, then you could use Mehmet's turban along with Qin Shi Huang's attire (slightly modified of course), recolor it so the robe is blue (although I'd go with green, to match the Nigerian flag) and the shirt underneath is white and then a few tweaks here and there to make it look more African and, voila, Usman dan Fodio. OR you could use Cyrus' clothing, and pull out the "shirt" underneath on Qin's robe to simulate that scarf. The LH doesn't have to look exactly like a picture you base it on, this isn't even an image of Usman dan Fodio, but as long as it is similar and the attire is right you should be fine.

I was also planning on using Ekmek's Amina of Zuzuza (definitely spelled that wrong) LH as another leader for it too. In fact I remember being quite surprised you didn't make her the leader to begin with.

(this should be on my thread... but that's okay, this is relevant to both of us, I guess )

To be honest I'm pretty happy with Sunni Ali so far. I'll recolor him definitely, but also add in a beard and try to age his face. Unfortunately it is true that there aren't a lot of good pictures of him online (actually none so far as I could find...), so, as you have already suggested, I'll have to be relying mostly on pictures of other Hausa people.

I didn't use Amina even though she would have been the only Middle Eastern / African female leader because I thought she'd do better as a hero unit since there is a lot more information on Usman dan Fodio, so I felt it would be better to use him as leader.

 

[Triver]

About Vercingtorix.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Siege-alesia-vercingetorix-jules-cesar.jpg
Can you help me?

 

[The Capo]

About Vercingtorix.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Siege-alesia-vercingetorix-jules-cesar.jpg
Can you help me?

Yeah, I can help you. I suppose I'll go ahead and make a Vercingetorix with you. Firstly I'd suggest ditching the whole thing you have right now and starting from scratch (he looks more Germanic than Celtic), if you want to use the picture as a base I have a much better Idea for what you can do here. What leader did you plan on using as a base? It appears as if you have used Hannibal.

 

[IgorS]

Yeah, I can help you. I suppose I'll go ahead and make a Vercingetorix with you. Firstly I'd suggest ditching the whole thing you have right now and starting from scratch (he looks more Germanic than Celtic), if you want to use the picture as a base I have a much better Idea for what you can do here. What leader did you plan on using as a base? It appears as if you have used Hannibal.

I agree, this LH looks good, but this is not Vercingetorix. The thing that scream "not Vercingetorix" the most is the fact he has a beard.