JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
At this point, what is going to happen is going to happen. I am not calling for war or peace. I am just looking out for myself and my family.
The coming hissy fit
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So far, we New Yorkers have been watching some people in smaller towns overreact than the far majority of us do here. It's died down in the last couple of years....but...maybe that's just the effect of knowing where we are and living with it. Doesn't mean we don't do anything to prevent it, though we've gotten obstacles thrown at us in our endeavors.
So...whatever happens...does happen. If I make it, then I'd probably have a lot to say about the policies of the governments before, during, and after if I gain more information. But I couldn't say what my reaction would be until I actually had to go through it, if I come out the other side.
So...whatever happens...does happen. If I make it, then I'd probably have a lot to say about the policies of the governments before, during, and after if I gain more information. But I couldn't say what my reaction would be until I actually had to go through it, if I come out the other side.
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
I hope that you live through it all, brother.
EdCase
Defender of the Faithless
This is a slippery slope. Sooner or later this type of thinking and/or becomes nothing more than a recruitment tool for terrorists.
Simplest way to turn a regular person hostile ?
A: Threaten their way of life.
Fight terror with terror. Target individuals. Cut off the head of the snake, when several more rise up...chop them off as well.
Take down the financiers, seize assests, redistribute said assests to the poor, the hungry, the disinfranchised.
PROVE to the people (that's right people not nations) of the world, that those who kill innocents will never be safe from justice, ever,anywhere. [here endeth the sermon]
I suppose so, if it means that the USA would seek military retaliation against targets that were directly involved with the terrorist plot/attack.
No. When you try to undermine the damages that terrorism causes, you are missing the devastation cause by the attack entirely.
We should offer our support to eliminate terrorism everywhere. Aren't we already at war with terrorism?
Finding those who were directly involved with the plot and bringing them to justice. If that happens, we should definitely find whether a massive bombing would cause more good than harm; if they were directly involved with a government, then we have an easy target. If they weren't, then we would need a total political and economic shut-out of any nations or areas that the terrorists beckon from.
Well, nothing's guaranteed. But if it happened here, we'll mostly forget all about politics for a time. Since we'll have more important matters at hand.
If it happened before Bush is out, I do doubt we'll throw our support in with him the way we had six years ago...but it'll be some time before a lot of us voice our outrage at someone, foreign or domestic.
Quiet Sound
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I tried that last time. Don't think I'll bother this time.
The "Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq" disagrees.
Okay, you're going to endorse an invasion, I presume.
Are you going to endorse using the same group/cabal of leaders that were responsible for prosecuting the last two? Or would you want a shakeup of who will be in charge?
Supposing you will advocate for an invasion, what 'hissy fit' aspects will you want to avoid?
I dunno. Austria-Hungary declaring war on Serbia due to terrorism seems, in retrospect, to be an overreaction.
Yep, it's important to parse the situation to see how endemic the 'terrorism' situation is involved with the actual government.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
No....I asked you to clarify your position as to whether the invasion of Afghanistan was a 'hissy fit' or not. Please answer the question.
I'm pretty sure he answered it when he said that it was essentially a declaration of war by the Taliban, and thus not a hissy fit.
What do you think? What components of the invasion were of a 'hissy fit'esqe nature?
Was the invasion the correct reaction? Was it an over-reaction? Was it correct in principal, just done improperly?
edit: x-posted w/ Bill
Was the invasion the correct reaction? Was it an over-reaction? Was it correct in principal, just done improperly?
edit: x-posted w/ Bill
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
I dunno. Austria-Hungary declaring war on Serbia due to terrorism seems, in retrospect, to be an overreaction.
Actually, Austria-Hungary demanded reparations first for the murder of the ArchDuke. Serbia declined.
Also, its questionable whether the murder of the Archduke would even qualify as an act of 'terrorism' or not.....especially when used in comparison with an act such as that done on 9/11.....
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Thats pretty much what I am asking you.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
I dunno. Austria-Hungary declaring war on Serbia due to terrorism seems, in retrospect, to be an overreaction.
It wasn't because of the terrorist act; Austria-Hungary had been looking for a reason to get rid of Serbia, whom it viewed as a future rival (and rightfully so) in Balkan affairs. This is why their demands first concerned castrating Serbia, not directly declaring war, as outrageous and offensive as A-H's demands might have been.
Yeah, but they were unreasonable reparations, and it was used for an excuse for war, really. Serbia had been a thorn of AH's sides for quite a while.
It was the assasination of a major figure of the country by a nationalistic group that demanded the independence of Bosnia from AH. That's a classical definition of terrorism.
Shadylookin
master debater
I think this time around I'm going to ride the wave of mass hysteria.
MobBoss
Off-Topic Overlord
Not exactly. The Archduke was pretty much out of the politics of AH since he had married a commoner - he even had to sign an agreement that none of his heirs could ever ascend to the throne as a result. But he was killed because he was seen as a threat to Serbia since he advocated combining the slav states of AH into a slavic kingdom, thus making it much difficult for to annex Bosnia in the future. His assassin stated as much in his own trial.
Oh...and that 'nationalist group' only consisted of 6 conspriators who were eventually all captured or killed. They hadnt 'demanded' anything.
I think people are miscontruing what I mean by 'hissy fit'. I'm using such extreme language because I'm referring to the extreme situations. Like:
- changing your avatar to your country's flag
- harrassing the local mosque
- calls for nuking Iran
etc. Feel free to think of more 'hissy fit' things that you've noticed might happen, but are really a waste of time and/or making the world worse.
Mobboss: the reason I'm not really discussing Afghanistan is because I'm not really interested in discussing the military responses. I'm discussing, more, the citizen responses.
- changing your avatar to your country's flag
- harrassing the local mosque
- calls for nuking Iran
etc. Feel free to think of more 'hissy fit' things that you've noticed might happen, but are really a waste of time and/or making the world worse.
Mobboss: the reason I'm not really discussing Afghanistan is because I'm not really interested in discussing the military responses. I'm discussing, more, the citizen responses.
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