"The DaVinci Code" actor calls for a disclaimer...

[warpus]

Its quite simple, you guys can't really fathom the idea of a God. You assume none of the miracles can happen because you already assume there is no God. We can't be certain 100% if there's a God or Not. But if he exists, then all those mircales are quite possible.

I don't assume that there is no God. I assume that the God as described in the Christian Bible doesn't exist since there is no proof for that specific God - but that's another matter altogether.

As for miracles - I'm very open minded. Show me a miracle and I'll consider it.

BTW It isn't nice to generalize.

 

[Turner]

Its quite simple, you guys can't really fathom the idea of a God. You assume none of the miracles can happen because you already assume there is no God. We can't be certain 100% if there's a God or Not. But if he exists, then all those mircales are quite possible.

I'm just curious...why do believers think that non-believers can't fathom the idea of a god? A lot of non-believers started out as believers. Many come from religious backgrounds, and reject the idea of a god, while completely understanding the idea of one.

 

[Yeeek]

Wait a minute, there are people out there who believe whats in the Bible or Qu'ran is 100% true?

Some people really believe the earth is 3000 years old?

 

[Archbob]

I don't assume that there is no God. I assume that the God as described in the Christian Bible doesn't exist since there is no proof for that specific God - but that's another matter altogether.

As for miracles - I'm very open minded. Show me a miracle and I'll consider it.

BTW It isn't nice to generalize.

You always talk as if The mircales mentioned are not possible. You make it sound like that there's no way that Moses could have parted the Red Sea and therefore are already disregarding the possibility of divine intervention. There's no proof for any specific God.

All aethiests say their "open-minded" to miracles, I used to be one of them. But in reality, they refuse to even consider that it can happen.

 

[Turner]

Wait a minute, there are people out there who believe whats in the Bible or Qu'ran is 100% true?

Some people really believe the earth is 3000 years old?

Yes, there are people. Just read some of the creation vs. evolution threads, or religious vs. athiest threads here.

Or move to my state, Kansas.

And actually, the believe it's 6000 years old. 4004bc, if I remember correctly.

 

[Archbob]

Most Christians don't actually believe the Earth is 6000 years old or whatever.

 

[GenMarshall]

I'm just curious...why do believers think that non-believers can't fathom the idea of a god? A lot of non-believers started out as believers. Many come from religious backgrounds, and reject the idea of a god, while completely understanding the idea of one.

I used to be a non-believer untill I rediscovered God. Baptized Catholic, fell out at the age of 6, became an agnostic (due to lack of CCD classes), rediscovered God after an auto accident where I felt God's tug on my heart after realizing the value of life, and now returning back to the Catholic Church.

 

[bhsup]

Ian McKellen is an outstanding actor. He is also, as is any person, entirely entitled to voice his opinion on religion. I am likewise entitled to blow off his opinion. I will continue to thoroughly enjoy his performances whenever I go to see a movie that he is cast him. That pretty much sums up the extent of my ire over this incident.

 

[Archbob]

Ian McKellen is an outstanding actor. He is also, as is any person, entirely entitled to voice his opinion on religion. I am likewise entitled to blow off his opinion. I will continue to thoroughly enjoy his performances whenever I go to see a movie that he is cast him. That pretty much sums up the extent of my ire over this incident.

To me he's just a Wizard in a pointy white hat.

 

[Yeeek]

Yes, there are people. Just read some of the creation vs. evolution threads, or religious vs. athiest threads here.

Or move to my state, Kansas.

And actually, the believe it's 6000 years old. 4004bc, if I remember correctly.

I avoided those threads, i was fearing to read such things. So they believe dinosaur didn't even exist? When you show them dinosaur bones aged of millions years how'd they react?

 

[Turner]

I won't say all, but some believe that man killed out the dinosaur. Created by god just before or just after man was. Wish I could remember what thread that was, it wasn't too long ago.

 

[malclave]

I'm just curious...why do believers think that non-believers can't fathom the idea of a god?

I think that perhaps some cannot, while others can but reject the idea.

I think the claim that atheists generally cannot fathom the idea is just a dig against their beliefs, though, just like the unqualified statements being made that the Bible is fiction. Clearly intended to goad people.

I won't say all, but some believe that man killed out the dinosaur. Created by god just before or just after man was.

But wasn't that supported by that documentary with Ringo Starr?

 

[Perfection]

You always talk as if The mircales mentioned are not possible. You make it sound like that there's no way that Moses could have parted the Red Sea and therefore are already disregarding the possibility of divine intervention. There's no proof for any specific God.

All aethiests say their "open-minded" to miracles, I used to be one of them. But in reality, they refuse to even consider that it can happen.

I'd be open to miracles as explinations if they were able to be scruitinized scientifically. This is not the case, however.

 

[aaglo]

Well put there, Mr. McKellen

Now, what's all the fuss around it?

And about the fiction... fiction isn't really false. Fiction is a work of imagination, and you really can't say it's false unless you prove it to be false.

About the image with the bible and the sticker: I think it's mostly correct.

 

[EolTheDarkElf]

All aethiests say their "open-minded" to miracles

Since you said "all" I feel I should mention that as an atheist I'm pretty "close-minded" to petty miracles such as "the Holy Statue of the virgin Mary crying brown tears in the rain two days after it had been oiled".

As for others, less suspectible miracles, faced with one that conducted under scientific scrutiny (ha ha ha ha) cannot be explained by science, you have two choices:

- be persistent in trying to find the answer in a scientific manner. If that answer remains hidden, tough luck. If that answer turns out to be supernatural, fair enough.

- close your eyes, turn your intellect off, fall to your knees and cry "Oh LORD, hallowed be thy name, a miracle!!! A miracle!!!"

I find the first approach to be more sensible, and generally more beneficial to humanity in the long run.

However, I do acknowledge that the second approach might make you more money.


If anyone is guilty for atheists being close minded to miracles it is a subgroup of the believers who try to pass any utter stupidity for a miracle.

 

[MjM]

Who cares? I heard this movie blows.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

Let's not get into this...

OK so the post was rather flippantly made but the point, IMHO, is valid. Christianity is followed with much more vigour in the US than in Europe. Vatican aside. To be brutally honest, until I visited this Forum I'd never heard of politicians wanting to have ID taught in schools. I'd never heard of bloody ID either. Until TB was on Parky the other week I'd never heard God even mentioned by a politician. Religion is spouted by American Politicians constantly, I can only assume it is because they are playing to what sells.

don't even make me bring up Princess Die.

Why would you want to? Except to ask how to spell her name correctly?

 

[The Last Conformist]

It contains scripture discribing and advocating all that?

As Perf said, it's advocating or describing all of that. Only some of them (including sexual activity in a violent context) are actually advocated.

I thought it was against all that!

You're a Christian - oughtn't you have a basic grasp on the contents on your holy scripture?

 

[Kayak]

As Perf said, it's advocating or describing all of that. Only some of them (including sexual activity in a violent context) are actually advocated.

You're a Christian - oughtn't you have a basic grasp on the contents on your holy scripture?

No kidding!

 

[Mise]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v192/tlc49/biblewarninglabel.jpg

Reminds me of this: