The Democratic Socialist Party

[Tboy]

First of all, let me dispel a few myths about 'parties' which may deter you from joining this one.

1.THIS IS NOT A VOTING BLOCK. We will not throw you out if you vote a different way from the party policy. We may try to persuade you one way or another, but it is your choice who to vote for.

2.WE DO NOT SEEK COMPLETE POWER. Yes, we would like to see our ideas taken into account, but we will not try to take over the demogame. That would mess up the whole thing.

OK, now the myths are dispelled, here's our manifesto.

1.Promote Democratic civics above others (e.g. representation, universal suffrage, emancipation, free religion e.t.c.)

2.Promote the overal welfare of citizens with happiness and health improvements (e.g. temples, granaries).

3. Promote the fairest possible system of government within the demogame.

4.Promote referendums in order to give citizens the greatest possible say in the government.

5.Stop unfree or undemocratic civics being used (e.g. police state, slavery).

6. Promote equality among citizens in the demogame, old and new.

7.Promote diplomacy above war, though war being a viable option against unreasonable or unfree enemies (e.g. uses slavery civic).

8.Promote socialist civics above others (e.g. state property), unless conflicting with number 1, in which case number 1 will take precedence.

9.Promote enviromental civics and buildings above others and oppose no-enviromentally friendly civics/buildings.

10.Oppose all forms of nuclear power.

OK, there's the manifesto. If anyone has any ideas for additions or amendments, please suggest them.

Current list of members:

Tboy
RoboPig
Alphawolf
Stilgar08
Illini Rule
Steely1
Alighieri
Question Mark
trundle
Sexton
5star_US
Comrade Bob
knorman
Jamppa
Leif

 

[I am the Future]

What is the view on Religion, or are we neutral? IF we have a posetive or neutral view on it count me in.

 

[RoboPig]

count me in!

 

[Alphawolf]

I'll join.

-the Wolf

 

[Stilgar08]

Since The Democratic Party don't get things going I'll join your new team, TBoy! Hopefullly you get more involved than other "party-founders" (I'll change my "democrats-link" in my sig asap)

May I suggest to send all members of the democratic party a pm in order to raise their awareness of this group?

Stilgar08

 

[Tboy]

Greetings, new members! I look forward to a long and profitable relationship.
I am the future, our view on religion is neutral. Generally, unless it affects something important, we will stay out. We do, however, favor the free religion civic (comes under 'free' civics).

 

[Tboy]

Stilgar08, don't worry. I will be heavily involved. If anyone has any ideas to change the manifesto or just generally affecting the party, let me know. Change is good.

 

[Illini Rule]

As long as state property is what we are for im in.

 

[Stilgar08]

Stilgar08, don't worry. I will be heavily involved. If anyone has any ideas to change the manifesto or just generally affecting the party, let me know. Change is good.

You know the story 'bout the burnt child? And: No, I don't worry!

As long as state property is what we are for im in.

state property CAN be a good thing depending on where we're coming from, I think...

 

[Tboy]

Considering that by our very name we are socialist, we should support state property, among other reasons. I have added that to the manifesto in the first post.

 

[Tboy]

Ok, now we seem to have a reasonable amount of members, we should start to think in advance. What should be our attitude to workers? Does anyone wish to change our attitude to religon? Why? Please, post any ideas you have, preferably with good reasoning.

 

[Steely1]

I'd like to join please. I like the fact that you emphasize this party isn't a voting bloc. Seems to this newbie like all parties ought to emphasize that in what's billed as a "game of democracy."

 

[Tboy]

Welcome, Steely1. Yes, I will emphasise that in every demogame. Too many people are worried 'They'll force me to vote for some psychopath'. Parties and citizens groups shouldn't do that, and if they do, well, the moderators will stop
it.
Still waiting for any suggestions for the party...

 

[Stilgar08]

Ideas and suggestions? Not so much to add since you pointed out the major points very good! Ok, here we go:

First of all, let me dispel a few myths about 'parties' which may deter you from joining this one.

1.THIS IS NOT A VOTING BLOCK. We will not throw you out if you vote a different way from the party policy. We may try to persuade you one way or another, but it is your choice who to vote for.

Agreed 100%

2.WE DO NOT SEEK COMPLETE POWER. Yes, we would like to see our ideas taken into account, but we will not try to take over the demogame. That would mess up the whole thing.

Yup! 2 very important things you mentioned here!!!

7.Promote diplomacy above war, though war being a viable option against unreasonable or unfree enemies (e.g. uses slavery civic).

extremely good thought!

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I took this over from the Democrats-thread since I would like this to be discussed for this party, so please lemme know what you think:

- Ensure minority protection, if possible - Clarification: The whole poll thing is fine and alright, but we should take care of those in our Civilization who don't have the majority and support them to get heard at least partially. This is especially important when there are big minorities (not for yes/no - polls of course) on long-term-influencial polls or when they are concerning tax-policy,
e.g. a poll like "80% science, rest taxes? rest culture?" and there's a 60% for taxes and 40% for culture - we should argue that the government in charge should go for 10/10...

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On a sidenote: The warmup is not running on the democratic level I would like to see the real game going later, but that's alright, because it was stated that the warmup is intended to give players a "feel" of what needs to be polled and what doesn't. What do you think about this?
After the warmup we should definitely stand in for voting on major decisions AND minor ones as far as these are considered, IMHO...

 

[Alighieri]

Finally, my kind of party.
Sign me up, please.

I think that economically, State Property and Environmentalism should be favoured (depending on the situation). Perhaps adding a full list of civics we are for and against would be a good idea?

As for religion, I think neutrality is the way to go, except for promoting Free Religion and opposing Theocracy and Organized Religion (where certain people are oppressed).

 

[Tboy]

At last, ideas!

Originally posted by Stilgar08
I took this over from the Democrats-thread since I would like this to be discussed for this party, so please lemme know what you think:

- Ensure minority protection, if possible - Clarification: The whole poll thing is fine and alright, but we should take care of those in our Civilization who don't have the majority and support them to get heard at least partially. This is especially important when there are big minorities (not for yes/no - polls of course) on long-term-influencial polls or when they are concerning tax-policy,
e.g. a poll like "80% science, rest taxes? rest culture?" and there's a 60% for taxes and 40% for culture - we should argue that the government in charge should go for 10/10...

Good idea. Everone should have a large say.

Originally posted by Alighieri
I think that economically, State Property and Environmentalism should be favoured (depending on the situation). Perhaps adding a full list of civics we are for and against would be a good idea?

Hmmm, interesting idea. I don't think e should list out for every single civic, but state our most favoured and least favoured in each category e.g. In the government category, favour universal suffrage, discourage police state. Once we agree on what to put in for each category, I'll add it to the manifesto. Please post your views on this.

As for religion, I think neutrality is the way to go, except for promoting Free Religion and opposing Theocracy and Organized Religion (where certain people are oppressed).

Good point. Stick with freedom and neutrality as far as religion is concerned. That makes for greater democracy.

Keep the idea flowing in!

 

[Stilgar08]

I just wanted to let you know that so far I'm really pleased with how this party works out!

@the other members: anything to add? Agree to the whole thing 100%??

 

[Stilgar08]

Err, TBoy, how about implementing the new thoughts (although there were only a few) into the first post??

Err, fellow members of the DSP: Nothin' to say to the suggested changes? Any more Ideas right now?

I guess real work of the DSP will start during poll-times for the real DG, not much earlier, right? Or does someone disagree?

 

[Tboy]

Implemented Enviromentalism clause into the first post.
New topic for discussion: What should be our stance on Nukes? Should we be for, against or neutral on the matter? Please post your views on this.

 

[Alphawolf]

Against Nukes, they are not honorable and *if* we have to use them to win we screwed up in the game long ago. I however have no problem with Nuke power plants.

-the Wolf