Again what goals? Both purpose and will are expression of an inteligent agent.
The fine-tuning argument for God's existence
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Again what goals? Both purpose and will are expression of an inteligent agent.
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warpus
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You're thinking about this all wrong.
Think about the chemical interactions between oxygen and hydrogen for example. They are "drawn" to eachother due to the nature of their valance electrons.. When they bond and form H20, is that the expression of an intelligent agent - or just an expression of laws of the universe by purely non-intelligent elements?
DNA and RNA operate under the exact same pretenses - they do what they do due to the laws of the universe being the way they are. There is no intelligent agent directing them to want to reproduce.
Except I view physical laws as harmonious therefore inteligent as well. Now if you could show me existence of pure chaos I would agree there is no inteligance involved.
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The Great Head.
Where's the brains in F=ma?
Incidentally, a chaotic system isn't one with no internal logic - all it means is one so convoluted or with such low tolerances that you can't predict the effect on its output that a change in its input will have. The 'butterfly effect' is a good example of the distinction.
warpus
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When oxygen bonds with hydrogen to form H20 - there's an intelligent entity somewhere making that happen?
PMSL. Magic is exactly what religion and God require you to believe.
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Balk if you want but it's the truth.
Edit: I should note that I'm not unsympathetic here. The process of evolution is conceptually difficult for many to understand. It took the incredible genius of Darwin to really ferret out and elucidate the key points.
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warpus said:
"Nature", "laws of the universe", etc. But who or what enacted those laws?
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warpus said:
Well that's a good question, isn't it? As a matter of fact, the very definition of life is "things that reproduce".
So it's not the question why life reproduces, but why do we call things that happen to reproduce "life".
Do you know examples of non-reproducing life? I can only think of intelligent robots, but these don't exist yet.
BTW, a non-reproducing intelligent robot is still much different than a reproducing unicellular bacteria. Which of the two is more alive?
O.K. so where does will to live/ survival instinct come from? From unconscious matter? Just magical...
Either or its how it appears.
warpus
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As far as we know they exist the way they do due to what happened during initial inflation of the universe, moments after the big bang.. and perhaps before.
But who do you expect me to be to answer such questions?
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See my edit. It may seem at first glance to be magical, but it isn't. Try going at it with an open mind.
My main problem is ethical now. Becouse you picture universe as giant machine yet as a human being I am expected to act according to an ethics and moral laws. Why?
warpus
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Because hopefully you want to be nice to others and have some sort of a moral compass in your head somewhere.
AKA hopefully you're not a crazy person who doesn't understand or care what the difference between right and wrong is.
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Never mind.
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