The Grognards

[Thorgrimm]

Lou the swiss were mercenairies that were raised by the British.

Here is a quick run down on encampments in 1794:

L' ARMEE DE SAMBRE ET MEUSE 1794
Advance Guard: Lefebvre 11,958 men at Vers Rolduc.
1st Division: Mayer 8165 men at Cornelis & Munster.
2nd Division: Hacquin 9,668 at Idem ???? never heard of it.
3rd Division: Marceau 8,852 at Eschweiller
4th Division: Bonnet 7,636 at Huy
5th Division: Hatry 5,951 at Aix-la-chapelle
6th Division: Morlot 10,083 at Aix-la-chapelle
7th Division: Championnet 10,197 at Aix-la-chapelle
8th Division: Dubois 3,239 at Fouron
10th Division: Duhem 7,663 at Maastricht
11th Division: Ricard 9,961 at Maastricht
12th Division: Friant 8,762 at Maastricht

Remember that the army organization was still very hap hazard because Napoleon has not yet reorganized the army.

Does this answer your question Lou
As a piece of trivia at the battle of Talavera in Spain the British swiss fought the French Swiss. A precursor to the ACW ?

 

[Steph]

Originally posted by ozymandias

@LouLong and Steph re: garrison / regiment names: Even if not strictly historical for those countries, it would certainly work within the context of the period, as many e.g. English regiments were named after their place (often county or "nation") of origin -- Welsh Fusiliers, Cameron Highlanders, etc.
Oz

Like the 4th regiment? The King's Own Regiment? Can you place King's Own on a map of England ?

But that's true for most of them.

It works for English Infantry.
France had only number.
Prussian regiment were named after colonels, same for Austria
For Spain it's province/cities (with some exception)
Russia used cities.

So we can use the name of the regiments to place it only for Russia, Spain and England

 

[Steph]

About Swiss mercenaries: I'm not sure if it is true, but I believe at the treaty of Vienna in 1815 it was decided that no country will be allowed to recruit Swiss mercenary corps except the Vatican.

 

[Thorgrimm]

exactly Steph,but look at the dates 1801 Egypt
1812 Talavera also after France annexed the Swiss cantonments no more were forthcoming. And the treaty was 1815. The place i found the Information was in the history department in Oxford England and i doubt they would put out erronous information.

Here are some other sources that you can check.
Historie critique et militaire des guerres de la révolution. Jomini 1842
Bonaparte et la campagne d'Egypte J.C Carmiginiani 1988

 

[Yoda Power]

Tech tree:

If we have events in the tech tree(ex: Egyptian Expedition) then there can only be one line of techs. Since the tech should be discovered by the time of the campaign. This also means that there has to be a fixed amount of techs per age.

Or did I get this wrong?

 

[Steph]

Originally posted by Thorgrimm
exactly Steph,but look at the dates 1801 Egypt
1812 Talavera also after France annexed the Swiss cantonments no more were forthcoming. And the treaty was 1815. The place i found the Information was in the history department in Oxford England and i doubt they would put out erronous information.

My remark was not meant to say your were wrong : as you said Vienna is 1815. It was more question to ask if someone can confirm this clause of the treaty because I'm not sure of it. For my personal culture.

 

[LouLong]

@ Yoda, that is how I saw things.

pros : it can replace events
cons : it might be a bit too directive


@ all, Austrian line released (check link in my sig).

 

[mrtn]

@Oz You have Railroads in the tech tree. I don't doubt that this is historically correct, but did you think to include railroad in the mod? I think that would get the game play totally out of whack.
One of the techs (some kind of Engineering tech) could enable bridges in the mod (ie you don't lose movement points when crossing a river). And I know bridges where around before Napoleon , this is just game play.

 

[LouLong]

I agree with mrtn about the RR, not sure about bridges though.

BTW mrtn, do you think you could make a graphic that would replace the radar tower by a supply depot/train (not RR train) along Kryten's idea ?

 

[mrtn]

Originally posted by LouLong
...BTW mrtn, do you think you could make a graphic that would replace the radar tower by a supply depot/train (not RR train) along Kryten's idea ?

I could probably do a c'n'p with the "Colony" graphic as base, what do you think?

 

[Yoda Power]

RR should not be in, Bridges would be good for gameplay reasons, but we should find a realistic reason to include them.

 

[Yoda Power]

Originally posted by LouLong
@ Yoda, that is how I saw things.

Well in that case Oz have to split all the techs in one line, but I dont see how this can be done before we deside how many turns/months/years that should go between each tech.

 

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by Yoda Power
RR should not be in, Bridges would be good for gameplay reasons, but we should find a realistic reason to include them.

1st Euro RR was 1821, so I tend to agree -- how about changing "Iron Anchor Chains" to "Improved Metallurgy" and putting bridges then?

-Oz

 

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by Yoda Power
Well in that case Oz have to split all the techs in one line, but I dont see how this can be done before we deside how many turns/months/years that should go between each tech.

I was basically assuming ca. 1795 - 1820 and further assuming about 1 year to research 1 tech (sorry, I forget who suggested this metric and I don't have time to check now) -- If we nail down the # years and like that approach then the length of time per turn becomes irrelevant from this POV.

Best,

Oz

 

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by Yoda Power
Tech tree:

If we have events in the tech tree(ex: Egyptian Expedition) then there can only be one line of techs. Since the tech should be discovered by the time of the campaign. This also means that there has to be a fixed amount of techs per age.

Or did I get this wrong?

E.g., "Egyptian Expedition" and "Darwin's Expedition" could be Wonders dependent upon an optional "off-shoot" tech called "Scientific Inquiry" or some such.

-Oz

 

[Steph]

I agree RR should be out. For bridge, it could be link to some event / tech, like the creation of the "Pont & Chaussées" by Napoléon in 1804, with a complete reform of the civil engineer.

Here are some "tech - events"' for France, if we can

- First use of Mongtolfière 21-10-1783 : Pilâtre du Rosier and Marquis d'Arlandes are the first to leave the ground with a Montgolfière. A long human dream is fulfilled : a man can fly!
-> mongolfière unit with radar flag?

- Civil constitution of the clergy : 12-07-1789 : All priests must swear to the civil authorities, as all the other civil servants. Bishops are elected by citizens, without the need to ask the Pope any confirmation.
- > Adverse effect with the papacy if included?

-Declaration of the rights of Men and Citizens 26-08-1789, "All Men are born free and equal in their rights". The monarchy if divine right is definitely abolished in France.
-> New government? Wonder?

-War of Vendée and war of the Chouans (after "civil constitution of the Clergy" )The people of Vendée, very pious, is upset by the new civil constitution of Clergy. Their nobles, who didn't fled as the others, supported by English, lead a series of wars against the French revolutionaries.
There were several wars : 1st of Vendée (1793-1794), Federalist War (1794), 1st Guerre of the Chouans (1793-1796), 2nd war of Vendée (1795-1796), 3d war of Vendée (1799-1800); 2nd war of the Chiyans (1799-1800). The people of Vendée and the Chouans were not really the same, but in game termes, I think they could be treated as one.
-> Don't know how to translate it in Civ III effect

- Continental blocus : allow trade embargo

- Civil engineer reform : In 1804, Napoleon creates the corps of "Pont et Chaussée", in charge of roads and bridges in France.
-> allow bridge?

-Civil code : 1804, 21 march, With the Civil Code, Napoleon writes a book including laws for almost all the cases known at that time. The judgment can then be equitable everywhere in the country: a true equality before the law is possible.
-> Courthouse?

-Napoleon sell Louisiane to the US : Napoleon , to oppose England, first tried to create a carribean empire, in 1802, but the English fleet prevented it. Then in an attempt to get the USA on his side, Napoleon sold them the Louisiane, a huge territory, west of the USA.
-> locked alliance with USA?

-Creation of the Polytechnic Schoolate : 1st September 1795. -> increase tech

-Carnot reforms the army : March 1793 The army was reformed, and scheduled to have 1 million men.
-> increase army size?

-Creation of St Cyr 1802
-> barracks in every city

-Creation of Sugar industry, based on sugar beet :1812
As sugar cane supply is difficult to find due to the English blocus, the French developed a sugar beet industry
-> new resource appear in France?

Just some exemple

 

[Ozymandias]

Steph, re: the tech events -- nice!

-Oz

 

[Yoda Power]

Oz- Could you make a line with yours and stephs ideas combined, then I´ll begin placing the techs.

 

[Ozymandias]

Originally posted by Yoda Power
Oz- Could you make a line with yours and stephs ideas combined, then I´ll begin placing the techs.

Shall do -- now that life's back to "normal" I was planning to have a second draft ready by Sunday.

-Oz

PS - Is my understanding correct: approximately 1 tech per year and approcuimately 25 years (~1795-1820)?

-O.

 

[Yoda Power]

Originally posted by ozymandias
PS - Is my understanding correct: approximately 1 tech per year and approcuimately 25 years (~1795-1820)?

-O.

yes that should be correct