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[Noble Zarkon]

Hi Guys

Just making sure you are all aware of the launch of the new version of Buffy and the new Espionage Victory condition.

 

[Pangaea]

Believe we talked about this in the G-Major 137 thread, but it's kind of GIGANTIC I can't recall how the formulas for production and spy costs went. On normal settings, what was the relation between costs on production to costs for civic switch and city revolt?

 

[Pollina]

Hammers = (SabotageProduction / CityRevolt) * (650 / 6)

 

[Pangaea]

Hammers = (SabotageProduction / CityRevolt) * (650 / 6)

Thanks

 

[yyeah]

Is game mechanics or rules, i dont know how to even explain that tbh, diferent, in Modern Era or in any other Era then Ancient ?.

Iam thinking about it beocuse i have GA points without running GA.
I have GE points not running it and then hes born in some mysterious way
Iam a bit confused ... is it bug or something ?

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Is game mechanics or rules, i dont know how to even explain that tbh, diferent, in Modern Era or in any other Era then Ancient ?.

Iam thinking about it beocuse i have GA points without running GA.
I have GE points not running it and then hes born in some mysterious way
Iam a bit confused ... is it bug or something ?

Not a lot of information to go on! Are you running Caste System?? Do you have any screenshots?

 

[Seraiel]

Is game mechanics or rules, i dont know how to even explain that tbh, diferent, in Modern Era or in any other Era then Ancient ?.

Iam thinking about it beocuse i have GA points without running GA.
I have GE points not running it and then hes born in some mysterious way
Iam a bit confused ... is it bug or something ?

The GA-points probably come from National Wonders like the National Epic i. e.. Read their description, and you'll see, that National Wonders themselves give of a certain type, like Oxford i. e. also GS- .

GE-points I canot really explain though, as I'm not aware of anything giving GE-points except Engineer-Specialists and very few Wonders. I'm very sure though, that there is a logical solution, and that it's no bug.

 

[yyeah]

@ NobleZarkon
Yes iam running Caste and this is weird beocuse when iam switching in to it, 1st turn Rep BUreau Caste, FM , FR. and i start running 1 GE next turn i have 50-50 % GA/GE.
I was like ... i dont care but when 2nd GP was born and taht was GE when i was running GM;s ... thats emmm yea that piss me off a bit.
I dont have SS but i can make 1 in a sec it happends every single time when i start new game.


@ Seraiel
I didnt have any national wonder or any other bulding witch provieds GPP.

I make SS in a sec, just start new map give me a sec.

 

[Seraiel]

@ yyeah: Are you microing every city every turn? If you don't, it could simply be, that a city grew, and it auto-assigned a specialist towards an Artist or an Engineer slot. Artists are i. e. chosen, before a city has a borderpop. If you use the govenor for the very initial phase, you'd never notice, and the GE is afaik the preferred choice in all situations, where the Spy isn't.

 

[yyeah]

Allright so looks like theres 1 specific situation when this problem happends
Beoucse i runned game 3 times and everything was ok in 4th time same problem.

When cittizen auto is on and city automaticly choose GE ( after switching civis ), after like choop few forests. Next turn it counts like GA.

In other exampels, when i picked up GE manually beocuse auto citizen didnt run it. It counts as GE.

ss turn 2. I checked 2 times and i was running GE not GA to be clear.

Spoiler :

I checked once again to be sure same thing 2 SS

Spoiler :

Spoiler :

Saves below.

@Seraiel
Yes i was checking like 1000 times. Just check yourself if you want. Choop this 2 forests in to worker switch civics, check is GE is there and push end turn.

@NobleZarkon
Sry fixed.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

You didn't attach the saves!

 

[Seraiel]

I'm sry yyeah, but that's exactly the situation I talked of, the city has no borderpop, it hires an Artist. If you hired the GE truely, it would have a yellow box around it. Look at the the city makes, that's 8 , the city only produces 4 though. Idk why it's shown wrong, but from what I can see, the city really works an Artist for that turn and that's also what cities do, when they have no borderpop yet. Idk about the rest of that game, so I can't tell.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

It's all happening in-between turns. The city is producing 4 culture per turn, the governor hires an artist once you press enter, the game advances to the next turn, the borders pop and the governor sacks the artist. You can see the culture has gone from 4 to 8 with buildings producing 4 a turn.

 

[yyeah]

Allrigh so it is normal .
I know that city allways produce artist when theres no borber pop but i didnt had such a situation that it shows me GE tahts why i was confused . If it is 1st turn and 1 city one can ezy notice that but if i one have 20 or more things are a bit more comlicated.
So allright then is it normal good to know .
Btw noob question score in time vic this witch is shown in HoF. IS it same score witch i have in my right corner ???
If yes thats preety hard ;p i have 18 cities 146 pop and 2951 points. 67 turns left
How to rech 24k . Iam preety behind in tech but even if i catch up .... i dont think i can have 24k .

 

[Seraiel]

Play an ancient start, conquer / settle as many cities as possible (take Archipelagio or B&S, on B&S try to have as little mainland and as much islands as possible) , found Sushi, get maximum resources, grow cities to size 50+, take 1 week of holiday from civ if you survived this ^^ .

 

[yyeah]

23283
I dont know should i or , like for my 1st attempt for this kind of vic condition i should say not bad, but so close ... 766 to beat Shadowsong

**** **** **** **** .
This freaking Quin( my vassal) starts to setteling new world i had to give back cities to Mansa agrrr.

Anyway i will try with Future, should be better for this kind of vic cond. A lot of things have to be fixed.

 

[shulec]

Is game mechanics or rules, i dont know how to even explain that tbh, diferent, in Modern Era or in any other Era then Ancient ?.

Iam thinking about it beocuse i have GA points without running GA.
I have GE points not running it and then hes born in some mysterious way
Iam a bit confused ... is it bug or something ?

You are right and the others are wrong. There is a bug or something.

It should be noted that this is quick speed, and it takes 5 to pop borders, not 10 . I could not repeat your result. I would suggest you reinstall buffy 3.19.004b and see if it is repeatable.

 

[Dhoomstriker]

I was able to reproduce the result:
Settle in place
Don't adjust the City Governor and don't manually assign any squares to be worked by the City's citizens
Move the northern Worker 1S and Chop
Chop with the south-west Worker
Switch Civics to Representation, Bureaucracy, Caste System, Free Market, and Free Religion
Look inside of the City screen and notice that an Engineer Specialist was hired and a mix of Coast and land squares are being worked
End the turn
Notice that an Artist Specialist is hired and 3 Coast squares are being worked
Great Artist GPP were received

So, somewhere in there, the game is adjusting what the City Governor does... maybe it has to do with Chopping on the same turn that a City got founded?

Or, perhaps it's due to the City Governor's citizen assignments not visually updating when switching Civics to Caste System as a Spiritual Civilization?

What would be most interesting is if a game were created using BUFFY 3.19.003 and the same game settings were tried, to see if the problem is reproducible there.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

What would be most interesting is if a game were created using BUFFY 3.19.003 and the same game settings were tried, to see if the problem is reproducible there.

Agreed, and also BUG 4.4 for comparison.

 

[shulec]

I was able to reproduce the result:
Settle in place
Don't adjust the City Governor and don't manually assign any squares to be worked by the City's citizens
Move the northern Worker 1S and Chop
Chop with the south-west Worker
Switch Civics to Representation, Bureaucracy, Caste System, Free Market, and Free Religion
Look inside of the City screen and notice that an Engineer Specialist was hired and a mix of Coast and land squares are being worked
End the turn
Notice that an Artist Specialist is hired and 3 Coast squares are being worked
Great Artist GPP were received

So, somewhere in there, the game is adjusting what the City Governor does... maybe it has to do with Chopping on the same turn that a City got founded?

Or, perhaps it's due to the City Governor's citizen assignments not visually updating when switching Civics to Caste System as a Spiritual Civilization?

What would be most interesting is if a game were created using BUFFY 3.19.003 and the same game settings were tried, to see if the problem is reproducible there.

Did your borders pop?

If what was describe above occurred, there should be a border pop on T1 due to 8, 2 from library, 2 from palace and 4 from an Artist. 8/5 should have popped the border if the came from a governor hired Artist.

I checked once again to be sure same thing 2 SS