The inclusion of Tamar/Georgia is disappointing

[Shadole]

I don't understand this sort of fan service from the devs. I think civs like this should be left to the latter part of the game's life span. Each game is only actively developed for several years - the later important staples like Byzantium and Ottomans and others are included, the less time we have to play with them during the game's active period.

Something about the way this happened just annoys me. It was very irritating to read the constant stupid jokes and obsession with this. It's like this civ was forcibly memed into existence at the expense of good game play or better ideas. It sets a bad precedent for what this forum can influence Firaxis to do. I hope you guys are happy with the result, and I also hope this kills the joke.

I keep hearing the argument "Why aren't you complaining about Cree if you don't want smaller civs in?" This is invalid. Native American civs are essentially assumed to have one or two civs "slotted" for inclusion. The Cree's inclusion does not come at the expense of the inclusion of civs from other regions.

 

[Stringer1313]

Some feel Tamar is an independently worthy choice b/c the Caucasian region isn't represented. It would be more upsetting to me if there had been a meme about, say, Isabella of Spain, and then they threw in yet-another-Western-European-Anglo civ into the mix at the expense of having a Native American civ like the Incas.

 

[Shadole]

The Caucasus region is not represented because the super powers of the world throughout time have not centered around that region. It's like complaining that Central America is not represented.

 

[Sagax]

We needed another thread for this, didn’t we?

It’s a decent topic to discuss if arguments are well-presented, but there already is an ongoing thread that’s not going to get buried anytime soon.

 

[Shadole]

If there were 50 threads asking for Tamar of Georgia and speculating about her then I think I am free to create a thread with my perspective on the matter.

 

[I_pity_the_fool]

It's like complaining that Central America is not represented.

But central america is represented.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

https://forums.civfanatics.com/thre...orst-civ-choices.626548/page-11#post-14981300
We already have this thread. But from this statement it seems you have no problem with Georgia as a whole, just would like it later which I could understand.

 

[Sagax]

If there were 50 threads asking for Tamar of Georgia and speculating about her then I think I am free to create a thread with my perspective on the matter.

There weren’t 50 threads asking for Tamar of Georgia. And I know that you are using a hyperbole.

 

[Shadole]

https://forums.civfanatics.com/thre...orst-civ-choices.626548/page-11#post-14981300
We already have this thread. But from this statement it seems you have no problem with Georgia as a whole, just would like it later which I could understand.

Yes. Although I am annoyed at the way in which this civ was badgered into the game, I would feel much less negatively about it if it happened at the end of the game after the key staple civs we all want were in. Then there would be no opportunity cost at the inclusin.

 

[Kwami]

Why does this thread exist? Why couldn't you just post in the other thread that's hating on Georgia? Seriously.

Anyway, your argument doesn't make sense. You can continue to play a game once it's no longer actively developed. At most, you're missing out on approximately one year of playing Byzantium or whatever other civilization you think is more special and more deserving than Georgia. On the other hand, I get an extra year of playing Georgia. And, since you aren't better than me and your opinions aren't worth more than mine, it all works out just fine.

 

[Shadole]

But central america is represented.

Really? Which Civilization represents central America?

 

[Ondolindë]

Please, let’s merge threads. One is sufficient.

 

[Shadole]

Pro Georgia discussion spilled over into many many threads on here and I disagree about the other threads premises especially about women.

 

[Phrozen]

Really? Which Civilization represents central America?

The Maya would. Not only were there Maya city states in Mexico but also in Belize, Honduras, and Guatemala.

 

[Ricard.Bossle]

Really? Which Civilization represents central America?

The Aztecs, maybe? They are technically in North America, you know, but one can make some concessions.

 

[Shadole]

I wasn't aware Maya are in the game which is what the quote said!

 

[Shadole]

Lol you guys are harping on the oddest of details and being extremely literal and unfocused

 

[shocky27]

Really dude? I agree Ottomans should be in, but even Byzantium is somewhat controversial since it was technically still just the Roman Empire, and imho should not be included as it's own civ (Macedon probably shoulda been with Greece too). Many people in these forums are very ignorant about much of world history outside of the very basic European history and colonial history, leading to generally ignorant comments about civs like Georgia. Georgia or Armenia certainly are worthy of inclusion based on their civilizations achievements and longevity, not to mention this area never being represented before.

Forget the memes about Georgia, it still is a worthy choice.

 

[Kwami]

There's nothing else to say. We already have a giant anti-Georgia thread. Your only argument is that you'd rather have Georgia come later because you think that some other civilizations are somehow more worthy of earlier inclusion. That's an argument that's already been made and debated in the other thread. I also responded to it a few posts back, but you ignored my post.

So, what's the actual point of this thread? Do you just want attention, or something?

 

[Shadole]

Man I really don't get it. Is this opinion so unwelcome? Some of you are being really aggressive in your language and it's unwarranted.