The Land of the Free

[Tycho]

I'll join the ELPA and settle in the city of Chicago.

 

[GreyWithAnE]

Sparthage: I like this NPC idea, and I'm interested to see how it'll work out. When will we start seeing NPC profiles, when should we start campaigning to them (and other players) and what's the timeline for when sessions will start/end?

 

[Nukeknockout]

Sure you do! Wherever members live, you have a base: their home!

This would imply that the N/A is ultimately a grassroots party.

Observing for now.

-Nukeknockout

 

[Lelouch]

I will join as a member of the E.P.L.A. I will be living in New York

 

[LordNwahs6]

I join the ELPA and settle in the city of Washington.

 

[gladoscc]

I join the ELPA, and settle in Atlanta.

 

[JohannaK]

Oh my GOD!!!

How many more people will join this ELPA?
This won't be even by chance anything looking like a real democracy!
All offices will be for the ELPA if this goes on like that!

Sparthage, I think that a list of the total resources we have would be also great, so that when trading laws are made, officials don't need to go back to maps counting the resources we do have.

 

[christos200]

One party system. Why the soviets had an one party system and america shouldnt have? ELPA will rule america until america stops to exist. Also we will have a president for life. ELPA is the wise party.

 

[JohannaK]

ELPA is EEEEVIIIL!!!

 

[christos200]

ELPA will create a strong america!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would be realy happy to declare martial law after the elections and destroy all other oppsition partys.

 

[JohannaK]

That's what I mean! Hope Tambien doesn't think the same, and luckily there's no martial law... I mean, I don't think the Supreme Court will let pass any law that dynamites the whole game. Luckily this ain't GaP.

 

[Jehoshua]

ooc: hey GaP is alright, don't go dissing GaP

 

[JohannaK]

ooc:It's not because of GaP, I didn't mean to criticize it, what I mean is that here you can't make a coup and put yourself as supreme dictator over Congress and Court.

 

[Jehoshua]

ooc: I know it was not against the game itself. But still, as the person people characterise as the "dictator" of GaP (not that I am) I felt it apt to respond to that quote of yours in some manner

 

[JohannaK]

ooc: Pity you don't play this one. I'm sure you'd manage to make this a great mess in the middle of which you'd try to get to power and retain it by any means.

 

[Jehoshua]

ooc: democracy is for the weak , I have to leave some escape for people to play political games without a student of politics stirring the pot

 

[JohannaK]

You know what some greek philosopher said? (I don't remember if Socrates or Plato)

It was against the sophists, who defended that democracy was the way of the weak to protect themselves from the strong, who could do whatever they wanted to do without receiving any punishment as they were stronger than the offended:

"Well, then, if we have a democracy now, and the strong naturally rule, although it is the way of the weak, that means that the weak are no longer the weak, but the strong."

 

[JohannaK]

What do you think about that?

 

[Jehoshua]

Hmm, intriguing, the ultimate fallacy however is that even in a democracy certain notables arise to power, thus you have Pericles, Solon and others who rose above the mob to power. It fails to take into account that ultimately the people will throw their lot behind someone either due to reputation or even simple association with some other notable, and thus despite the facade of a democracy you will still have a political class developing, and on top of that you will have an oligarchy ruling in government due to the indispensibility of leadership (the iron law of oligarchy)

Thus you see in todays representative democracies its the same group of people who rule despite the token election by the people (The two bushes being an example), and indeed in the actual processes of governance the people have no say at all.

 

[JohannaK]

Indeed. My teacher said a similar think, which was similar to my own opinion: maybe the weak have become the strong, but they're still attached to a party because of the leader or the ideas they're still somehow connected to. As an example, Spain has two main parties: PSOE, left-wing, and PP, right-wing. We had a Civil war followed by a forty-year dictatorship in the thirties, test camp for the
Axis, and each party is somehow connected to the factions at war in the minds of people: they vote on the basis of the 80 years ago politic background.