The Layers of Hell

[MagisterCultuum]

I don't think he could have worked his way out of hell. He is still quite evil, and escaping hell on your own merits involves becoming good. Of course, he could also have made a deal with a devil and convinced him that he is more useful to their cause in the Netherworld. Maybe someone who is skilled at drawing souls together and binding them into weapons would also have the skill to navigate his own soul straight into the netherworld before a demon could come and collect it though.

Where is Gastrius now? Or any of Kyorlin's other unaccounted for students?



What can you tell us about the Demon Lords from the Lord of the Balors scenario? Where they all (excluding Hyborem) originally mortals, or were some created as demons to begin with, or even as angels? What gods did they serve? What gods, if any, did they choose to serve once becoming demon lords?

 

[KillerClowns]

Where is Gastrius now? Or any of Kyorlin's other unaccounted for students?

As to Gastrius, I recall that in Perpentach's pedia, Old Kylorin refers to having "killed Gastrius for less [than what Perpantach had done]." So, Kylorin killed him... although, exactly what happened to him after his death is a legitimate question. He may be a demonic duke by now, or just another faceless denizen of Hell, or some form of undead still wandering Erebus (like Barbatos), or hibernating in some form of phylactery waiting for some poor fool to open it, or with Laroth, either as an underling or ally...

 

[Algeroth]

I have three general questions about hell:

1) How much memory of their previous life petitioners have?
2) I suppose that's impossible to kill someone in hell except the abilities that destroy souls. Petitioners manifestations just reassemble themselves after some time, right?
3) Is casting magic somehow affected in the god's vault?

And I have some issues with Mulcarn vault. While other normal layers of hell (excluding Cerwiden and Esus hells) seems to focus on intensifying their respective god's sphere before petitioner is send to the deeper hell, in Mulcarn vault submitting to it's sphere means halt in his vault. Which seems weird in the well-oiled machine as hell is supposed to be, because the more effective the first layer is, the less petitioners will reach the deeper hell.

Ad Laroth: What evil deeds he done in his life (Except being Patrian archmage)? I can't remember.

 

[Verdian]

Wow, that was amazing. A few more articles like that and running a DnD campaign in Erebus will be a lot easier.

 

[xienwolf]

I think of Mulcarn's Lair as more of a "filter" for the souls. You don't want aimless, unmotivated minions. So if they are content to just leave and let live, leave them to rot till they begin to value action.

 

[Kael]

And I have some issues with Mulcarn vault. While other normal layers of hell (excluding Cerwiden and Esus hells) seems to focus on intensifying their respective god's sphere before petitioner is send to the deeper hell, in Mulcarn vault submitting to it's sphere means halt in his vault. Which seems weird in the well-oiled machine as hell is supposed to be, because the more effective the first layer is, the less petitioners will reach the deeper hell.

Thats very true. But the infernal hierarchy as a whole doesn't want to encourage lazy demons. Sloth may be a fine trait in a mortal, but they dont want it in the demonic hosts.

So Mulcarns domain is the storage vat of hell, the place where they stick all of the souls that arent ready. Mammon doesnt want the scattered masses of every war rushing his city. He wants them when they are ready, when they have ambition, when they can be turned into something more. Also remember that the infernals are gathering far more than they are supposed to, so many of the souls resting beneath the waters shouldnt be there.

But the true purpose of Mulcarns realm isnt to to keep people from going into the hells, but to keep them from going out. The stasis, the mountain, the swamp are all an attempt to keep anyone from escaping.

 

[Deon]

Kael, you haven't answered yet, who is/are the artist(s)?

 

[Mailbox]

What happens to those actually loyal to Mulcarn when they die who have no greater hellish ambitions? Are they put in cold storage like the army of "statues" that were animated when Mulcarn marched on Creation or do they live in some weird city or dwelling somewhere in the vault?

 

[Duruk]

Yeah, she was one of the unclaimed good people so she was seeing into Arawns vault.

Thank you!
I think that Mulcarn's faithful would have been turned into statues, but now that Mulcarn isn't in his vault anymore I'd imagine things have gotten a bit chaotic. Maybe your ultimate fate (stature, frostling, frost-demon) is determined by how you follow Mulcarn?

 

[Verdian]

Also remember that the infernals are gathering far more than they are supposed to, so many of the souls resting beneath the waters shouldnt be there.

How are they managing to get more than they should? I would think the gods would be picky about that.

 

[Skitters]

I don't think he could have worked his way out of hell. He is still quite evil, and escaping hell on your own merits involves becoming good. Of course, he could also have made a deal with a devil and convinced him that he is more useful to their cause in the Netherworld. Maybe someone who is skilled at drawing souls together and binding them into weapons would also have the skill to navigate his own soul straight into the netherworld before a demon could come and collect it though.

Perhaps if someone should find their way to Ceridwen's vault, there are ways to escape the hells?

Or alternatively perhaps he was allowed to escape upon agreeing to pledge allegiance to the Evil Gods should he suceed in usurping the Death sphere?

- even if he fails to replace Arawn, it would still be a suitable destraction to help limit Arawn should He ever deem the compact irretrievably broken and give his support against Agares and co

In essence, for some individuals of note, having them go through the various Hells may not be the best use of them....

 

[Nikis-Knight]

Thank you!
I think that Mulcarn's faithful would have been turned into statues, but now that Mulcarn isn't in his vault anymore I'd imagine things have gotten a bit chaotic. Maybe your ultimate fate (stature, frostling, frost-demon) is determined by how you follow Mulcarn?

Now that Mulcarn isn't there, I'd wager all his followers are simply start the march through the hells, unable to stay there for it is no longer really ruled by their master. If Auric ascends completely, and is able to travel there, I think that would change and the devoted followers of his sphere would be kept around to do his bidding specifically, frozen when not needed.

 

[Psychic_Llamas]

who exactly created the infernals then? are all these gods, Mulcar, mammon, Esus, Ceridwen Agares etc responsible for their creation or are the infernals purely the product of Agares?

 

[mahazel]

How are they managing to get more than they should? I would think the gods would be picky about that.

Hmm, I think the answer is in Ars Moriendi (or another horseman) pedia...

 

[MagisterCultuum]

In a loose sense then the Infernals would refer to all the denizens of the hells. IN the game though it refers specifically to those who are plotting against Erebus and seeking to enter it directly. Hyborem is mostly directly responsible for this, but it is something that happened because Bhall's presence gave the demon lords of the lowest fell the passion to take action in Erebus again. Ther is tacit support from Agares and posibly the other evil gods too, but of the gods Bhall is the most responsible for it.

 

[Seon]

Great entries! Can't wait till the layers of heaven is unleashed

 

[MagisterCultuum]

I don't believe that Heaven has layers. The True Heaven is cut off from all the gods, and the vaults of good gods are not connected. There is no great assembly line for turning dead mortals into angels, so it must happen more slowly in only a single vault, and produce angels whose virtues are closer to an individual god rather than good all around like the demons are evil all around.



I do think we need more info on the vaults of the good and neutral gods though. The heaven I've seen described is Junil's, and the only neutral god's vault described is Arawn's Netherworld.

 

[Vernacular]

I do think we need more info on the vaults of the good and neutral gods though. The heaven I've seen described is Junil's, and the only neutral god's vault described is Arawn's Netherworld.

iirc in the begining of the Momus Falamar is in Danalin's (sp?) vault, which is simply water. It has no sky, not earth, just a current.

 

[Kael]

iirc in the begining of the Momus Falamar is in Danalin's (sp?) vault, which is simply water. It has no sky, not earth, just a current.

Welcome to Civfanatics Vernacular!

 

[Atnanor]

iirc in the begining of the Momus Falamar is in Danalin's (sp?) vault, which is simply water. It has no sky, not earth, just a current.

Mmm, that makes me ask, does Fall from Heaven have Elemental Planes and Transitory Planes (Astral, Ethereal, Shadow)?