The Left Fails Yet Again

[Patine]

Just as well I didn't mention the Soviets.

But the post we both quoted from @Commodore did, in a way that implied or suggested some kind of perceived link between American Democrats and Soviets...

 

[rah]

For over 30 years I had a team. Not anymore. Maybe more will follow to make a new one. The extremes are starting to dominate and the center will be looking for an alternative.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Except the center is full of brain-wormed liberals who think compromising with conservatives is a sustainable position even as said conservatives continue to gut the state and welfare.

 

[abradley]

ah yes, the respect Ryszard Legutko, the genius philosophy professor who argues that Christians are the most discriminated people on the planet and that Homophobia is not, and has never been a problem.

In his book "Why I am Intolerant?" he describes minority groups "homosexuals, Africans, feminists" as "fashionable cultures" and their actions as "tyrannical", comments which have led to significant criticism.[8] He has also referenced Pride as “aggressive, anti-Christian and shocking[9]” as well as an “unnecessary, destructive experiment." Similarly, he has argued that homophobia is "a totally fictitious problem, it doesn't not exist anywhere" and goes on to claim that "Christians are the group that have been most discriminated against.[10]"

Sued in 2010 for violation of personal rights by calling students who demanded removal of Christian symbols from a public school “unruly brats spoiled by their parents”, he asked for a dismissal of the case based on his immunity as a member of European Parliament. In 2011 the court denied that request.[4] Plaintiffs are represented by an attorney on a pro-bono basis under the Precedential Cases Program of the Helsinki Foundation for Human Rights.[5]

not at all surprised that someone like you falls for the dumbest, most backwards intellectuals of the 21st century. I'm sure the book is great and "methodically rigorous", Geert Wilders surely gave it a great reception!

From you a compliment, thank you.

 

[Patine]

Except the center is full of brain-wormed liberals who think compromising with conservatives is a sustainable position even as said conservatives continue to gut the state and welfare.

Not all Centrists.

"I am a Radical Centrist, and everyone to the Left or Right of me should be castrated!"
-lesser known quote by Benjamin Franklin

 

[yung.carl.jung]

From you a compliment, thank you.

glad to know you're not even defending him or refuting my claims, just tacitly acknowledging that you, too, think Christians are eternal victims and homosexuals don't face problems anywhere in the world. lmao

 

[rah]

Except the center is full of brain-wormed liberals who think compromising with conservatives is a sustainable position even as said conservatives continue to gut the state and welfare.

And you wonder why we don't want to compromise with those like you. There is no such thing as compromise anymore. That takes respect and dignity.

 

[Estebonrober]

And you wonder why we don't want to compromise with those like you. There is no such thing as compromise anymore. That takes respect and dignity.

I think you have a legit point here but!, respect and dignity coming from either side which side is worse? The one promoting equality of opportunity for all children and healthcare for all humans? Or the one insisting we keep 11 million people as second class citizens and screw the sick and poor and uneducated?

 

[rah]

Neither side is showing either. But yeah, one side is probably slightly better. But not as better as they think they are.

 

[abradley]

glad to know you're not even defending him or refuting my claims, just tacitly acknowledging that you, too, think Christians are eternal victims and homosexuals don't face problems anywhere in the world. lmao

Is that what he sez? Or your interpretation?

 

[El_Machinae]

glad to know you're not even defending him or refuting my claims, just tacitly acknowledging that you, too, think Christians are eternal victims and homosexuals don't face problems anywhere in the world. lmao

The quote you posted upthread has a double negative. The suggestion is that "homophobia is bad everywhere, don't whine about it being here as if it's unique".

 

[Cloud_Strife]

And you wonder why we don't want to compromise with those like you. There is no such thing as compromise anymore. That takes respect and dignity.

You cannot compromise with a side that wants your wholescale removal be it physically, socially or otherwise, but go on Rah explain to me with your massive galaxy centrist brain, in what world such a compromise could happen that wouldn't result in me being harmed or worse off.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

Interesting that @rah you think it is the lack of compromise that is the problem. Imho, it is that the democrats (and other parties like the SPD in Germany) have been far too eager to compromise, and have completely sold out both their ideals and their promises to the point where the two big parties are virtually indistinguishable on important problems (the problems of capitalism, globalization, technology, drifting wages, climate change, etc.) and only disagree on less important (sorry, not trying to downplay anyone's struggles) current issues (idpol, political correctness, etc.)

this is by the way also one of the main reasons why close to no one wants to vote SPD in today's Germany. of course there are other, more diverse reasons, but this imo is the major one.

that's why I keep coming here, to share and learn from other peoples' pov

Except the center is full of brain-wormed liberals who think compromising with conservatives is a sustainable position even as said conservatives continue to gut the state and welfare.

I agree with this, though as always I would go one step farther and not merely blame all the liberals willing to compromise, but literally all the liberals, irregardless of their will to compromise

 

[yung.carl.jung]

The quote you posted upthread has a double negative. The suggestion is that "homophobia is bad everywhere, don't whine about it being here as if it's unique".

thanks, I fixed it to be more true to the quote from wiki

 

[rah]

Interesting that @rah you think it is the lack of compromise that is the problem.

Please quote where I said that.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

 

[yung.carl.jung]

Is that what he sez? Or your interpretation?

direct quote from an article, his words are marked:

Legutko also insists that the rise in anti-LGBT hate crime is a “totally fictitious problem”, claiming homophobia odes not exist.

He said: “Homophobia is a stick with which you beat people who dare to raise any kind of objection. It may mean anything. Anything can be considered homophobic.

"This is a totally fictitious problem, it doesn’t exist anywhere. Homosexuals are the sacred cows.

“Christians are the group that have been discriminated against, not the homosexuals. They are the most protected group you can have."

source: Wikipedia article, leading to this news article:

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/07/...to-lead-conservatives-in-european-parliament/

you're very welcome. so, you tell me right now, does he say that homophobia is not a real problem? does he say that Christians are the most discriminated against? please do reply

 

[yung.carl.jung]

Please quote where I said that.

well you say there is no such thing as compromise anymore, and that it needs dignity and respect, which seems to be something we are lacking today. so from that I gather that you do think compromise is something to strive for, am I wrong? I didn't mean it as an attack, I think it's refreshing that we all think differently

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Ah yes the solution to the humanitarian crisis of forcing people into concentration camps in the US is to meet the Republicans halfway.

Like imagine being so far removed from reality that you think that is an actual solution and not an example of the Democratic party being run by centrists whos' brains have melted due to age and priviledge.

I'm sure the same party that helped birth this:

Is really interested in honest compromise, the same party standing behind an absolute disgrace of a man, a racist, a rapist, a man with credible links to a paedophile and his sex ring, the same party that lies time and time again, cries about rules but then ignores them the second it's conveniant for them to do so.

 

[rah]

It's not about the compromise as much as the arrogance that you can't possibly ever be wrong. This breeds contempt and eliminates any chance for respect or showing dignity. I'm not saying that you should compromise with racists. But there are things that will require compromise that will never get done without it. Like health care or immigration rules.