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The Man Who Made Glenn Beck

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by downtown, Sep 24, 2009.

  1. Miles Teg

    Miles Teg Nuclear Powered Mentat

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    Pat, there's a difference between liking a book and incorporating some or most of it into how you view the world. I liked, say, David McCullough's book on the Panama Canal. But other than making me fond of the concept of water lock canals, it doesn't really inform my view of the world. You won't find references to it in my everyday conversation, I don't even know Mr. McCullough's politics, and I don't make a point of recommending it to people. However, these are all true in the case of Glenn Beck and The 5,000 Year Leap. Since man is in many ways the sum of his experiences, I think it's entirely fair to bring up this book, and it's author in connection to Beck.

    Your politics is showing.
     
  2. Dachs

    Dachs Hero of the Soviet Union

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    I was amused that anybody would name their son Cleon. His namesake wasn't exactly the kind of name to inspire people, even if you strip away the Nikian and Aristophanean propaganda.
     
  3. tariqari

    tariqari Warlord

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    I think the media is more powerful than the government in some cases. Not that I'm saying that man is more powerful than the President.
     
  4. Counterclaw

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    The media can be influential, but it has no real power of its own. It has to influence others to act. The president can issue executive orders, Glenn Beck can...spell "Oligarchy" wrong.

    I think if its possible for Obama to be inspired by Wright without being influenced by Wright's radical beliefs, then Beck can draw inspiration from his own religious mentor, without necessarily becoming a radical. If Beck says crazy things on his show, it's fair to attack him for that. But just as we can't accuse Obama of believing every loony thing his friends say, we can't assume Beck is loony, simply because a friend of his is.
     
  5. Bill3000

    Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Supporter

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    No one is saying that Beck is a loony simply because his friend is. That Beck is a loony was known beforehand, simply through what he says.
     
  6. Zulu Impi

    Zulu Impi Warlord

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    I haven't listened to/watched Glenn Beck in several months but he used to be a pretty entertaining talk show host a few years ago before he went all crazy end of the world.
    Though I think he still makes some good points.
     
  7. downtown

    downtown Crafternoon Delight

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    I think you could argue that the church was pretty progressive at the very beginning, with Joesph Smith was in charge. Smith gave the Priesthood (ability to perform church leadership roles) to blacks, and had at least one hold a very high office. The Church also had a radical wealth redistribution plan in an attempt to eliminate poverty from their ranks. The idea of temporal social justice, at least for their own people, was quite a focus. I think we saw a shift away from that with Brigham Young (who ended both of those practices).

    The real radical leap came in the 1950s and 1960s though.
     
  8. civ_king

    civ_king Deus Caritas Est

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    I didn't know you were Mormon, so as far as I can tell that makes 2 Mormons on this forum
     
  9. Holycannoli

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    Beck is the guy exposing most of these stories of corruption, and the democrats have no idea how to counter him so far, other than to attack his "sanity". They are desperate to find a way to shut him up though.

    I didn't get the whole frog thing either, but it was obvious right after he did it that it was fake; he said so immediately afterward. Even PETA said so, but they did ask him to say it on his next show because they were getting complaints.

    Beck is an entertainer and makes his living off political commentary. But some of the things he's been reporting on are alarmingly true (screw that whole "Van Jones is an ex-communist" bit. Mussolini was an ex-communist too. Jones is a Marxist and racist who should never have gotten that position. He even said "The white polluters and the white environmentalists are essentially steering poison into the people of color communities because they don’t have a racial justice frame.”)

    I'd say most of the people who think Beck is a loony are people that never actually watch him except for certain bits on the internet. He hasn't become hugely popular because he's been lying. He's become hugely popular because he hasn't been afraid to expose Washington for what it is (that includes the Bush administration).
     
  10. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    I knew Beck was a loony when I saw him draw a pipe from his SUV to Mars to explain Mars's warming.
    This was almost a year after the cause of Mars's warming was published.

    The man has no mechanism by which to learn if he's right or wrong in his stances, and has to spend too much time saying what a lot of people want him to say.
     
  11. Bill3000

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    Nope.

    You're aware that people can change their minds, right? Also, you're wrong; Mussolini was a socialist, not a communist, and that didn't really matter much once he broke away from it, considering that his fascism was highly anti-communist/socialist.

    He was a huge Bush administration supporter. :lol:
     
  12. civ_king

    civ_king Deus Caritas Est

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    I'd say most of the people who thought Hitler was a loony are people that never actually watched him except for certain bits on the internet. He hadn't become hugely popular because he's been lying. He became hugely popular because he wasn't been afraid to expose Weimar for what it was (that includes the Friedrich Ebert administration).
    demagoguery s what beck is
     
  13. Aleenik

    Aleenik Deity

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    What do I think?

    Well Ill get heat for this...When don't I around here?

    But...

    I'm glad Glen Beck is around.


    Ahh I can feel the /flame post coming! lol jk.
     
  14. civ_king

    civ_king Deus Caritas Est

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    why??
     
  15. Onionsoilder

    Onionsoilder Reaver

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  16. Counterclaw

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    As am I, though I rarely listen to him. I think it's important for the opposition to have a voice. It keeps tyranny at bay. I've always welcomed liberal talk shows. Randi Rhodes and Ed Schultz crack me up. I've always thought that when liberals are loony or overboard, it helps conservatives. But the reaction to Beck has been downright hostile. I think that hostility helps him and other conservatives more than it hurts them.
     
  17. Aleenik

    Aleenik Deity

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    I agree.
     
  18. Bill3000

    Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Supporter

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    I'm perfectly fine with a voice for the opposition, but it ought to not be someone who has absolutely no idea what he's talking about. (I'm not even talking about in the sense of knowledge, but in the sense of coherence.) And preferably not some stupid talk show host.
     
  19. Aleenik

    Aleenik Deity

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    What other voice of opposition is there around? Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck really Id say?
     
  20. Aleenik

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    He is opposition to Obama.

    I don't watch him a lot...but he is at least opposition.

    There have even been democratic adds attacking him...and he isn't even running for an office lol.
     

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