The Official Perfection KOs Creationism Thread!

[carlosMM]

Going back through evolution:
Human (UP)
Ape (UP)
Monkey (UP)
Primitive primate X (UP-DOWN)
Primitive mammal like rat (DOWN)

Now prove X ever existed!
Or name it if you can.
Where did monkeys get the placement they have?
That's the main question - not about humans.
NEW features may develop (though the idea sometimes gets into nonsense) but old ones change very rarely.

guess where monkey carry their kids when they are small.
Guess where the kids heads are.
And read my post again:

and even earlier in evolution: imagine a woman sitting on the ground or on a tree limb (think gorilla or chimp) and a baby trying to get at nipples near her crotch. Now she suddenly jumps up and....... drops the baby! It would be VERY hard, once you have humanoid primate proportions to effectly suckle a kid if the nippled were far down, and that's true without any water involved!

see?

 

[carlosMM]

carlito
I think it's not different itself - the place is different and hard to explain by "evolution".

if you'd bother to read, then you'd have seen the place is EASY to change (actually, you only need a tiny tiny change in a HOX gege to move them).

But you of course are SO wise - then why don't you explain it NOW?

explain what?
you have failed to elaborate a problem, or question, in any understandable way. You're just babbling (are you drunk?).

 

[The Last Conformist]

NEW features may develop (though the idea sometimes gets into nonsense) but old ones change very rarely.

This is ass-backwards. Totally novel features rarely develop; old ones are changed all the time.

 

[civ2]

1. Definitely my bad English.
2. Might change is not the same as already changed several times.
Most specific things have their doubles - except this.
Whales aren't fishes and bats aren't birds but only humans are straight and have such breasts.

BTW my SPELLING is much better than average here including YOURS!

 

[The Last Conformist]

I'm dyslectic, but my spelling isn't so bad it should cause any problems of understanding. Your syntax and lack of explicit reference are.

We're not the only mammals to have breasts high on the thorax.

 

[civ2]

Appendicites!
Hair!
Stupid stubborness!!!
...

Brains.
Eyes.
Straight back.
...

Any "changed" old features please?

Evolution begins with a mass of glue and ends with minds.
Did bacteria have mind or even nerves???

 

[carlosMM]

Appendicites!
Hair!
Stupid stubborness!!!

have you ever owned a dog? At least No2 and 3 should be well known to you....

Brains.
Eyes.
Straight back.
...

erhm, while some humans make me doubt your statement, regarding No 1, even you should be able to see that even squids have eyes, and pretty darn good ones at that, as well as brains..... nothing much new, eh?

'straight' back - with that you mean bipedalism?

look at an ostrich

Any "changed" old features please?

oh, tons! Anything that seperates you from a dog is a changed old feature - actually, humans have nothing new comapred to most other modern mammals.

Evolution begins with a mass of glue and ends with minds.
Did bacteria have mind or even nerves???

but why should they have them? Comapre the many similarities between humans and bacteria to the one big thing that differs us (one-cell vs multi-cell and the resulting ability to have specialized cells).

 

[The Last Conformist]

Appendicites!
Hair!
Stupid stubborness!!!
...

Brains.
Eyes.
Straight back.
...

Any "changed" old features please?

Straight backs, brains, and the appendix are modified old structures, as are legs, jaws, wings, hands, swim bladders, palates, mammae, molars, hooves, lungs, etc, etc ...

Evolution begins with a mass of glue and ends with minds.
Did bacteria have mind or even nerves???

Bacteria naturaly do not have nevers - they're unicellular.

 

[tR1cKy]

Appendicites!
Hair!
Stupid stubborness!!!
...
...

Guyz, do a "find more posts by" on this bloke and you'll be amused. Or horrified.

 

[carlosMM]

Guyz, do a "find more posts by" on this bloke and you'll be amused. Or horrified.

I know him, since quite a while ago. He's in great form today

 

[civ2]

Exactly - all these are NEW compared to few-cellular beings.

This is getting way off-topic.
I really got bored...
Enough for today for me.
Bye-bye-bye.
Bayubay.

 

[civ2]

Guyz, do a "find more posts by" on this bloke and you'll be amused. Or horrified.

What do you mean exactly???

 

[carlosMM]

Exactly - all these are NEW compared to few-cellular beings.

This is getting way off-topic.
I really got bored...
Enough for today for me.
Bye-bye-bye.
Bayubay.

well, thank you for the daily dose of humor

 

[civ2]

I'm dyslectic, but my spelling isn't so bad it should cause any problems of understanding. Your syntax and lack of explicit reference are.

We're not the only mammals to have breasts high on the thorax.

1. I meant carlito.
2. Which exactly?
No really I don't recall any.

 

[Blasphemous]

Exactly - all these are NEW compared to few-cellular beings.

Not really...
I often find it useful to think of my body as a very tight-knit cooperative of cells, forming all kinds of structures to the best of their individual ability and working together to form me. In essence, all multi-cellular creatures are just a bunch of more advanced and developed single cells who cooperate and act as a collective.
Have you ever played with lego?
You've got all kinds of pieces, in all kinds of shapes. Alone they're just a mess - if they were tiny wet cells, a whole lot of them would form some primordial goop. When you take pieces out of this mess and put them together in certain ways they make things which are no longer just a group of blocks - they become a spaceship, a truck, a house, a fortress. A parsnip, a duck, a mouse, a tortoise.
Whether you believe some almighty builder put them together or you think they worked their own way into the structure doesn't matter, it is undeniable that humans are just a collection of cells. Nothing much new on comparable levels - the cellular level.

 

[The Last Conformist]

Which exactly?
No really I don't recall any.

I already mentioned elephants.

 

[carlosMM]

1. I meant carlito.
2. Which exactly?
No really I don't recall any.

you can't even spell my name

and TLC is right on: the use of proper sentences makes it a lot easier to udnerstand what you mean.

interestingly, in other threads you CAN use complete sentences, so why not here? Why this cryptic style?
maybe because you can't make sense?

 

[nonconformist]

Carlos:
I saw various references earlier on, but what do you think about the fact that a newborn baby dropped in water tends to have a natural swimming tendancy, as well as humain body hair being seemingly streamline?

(OT: I know you reside in Germany, but are you German? Your English really is excellent, and I'd say superior to most English and Americans.)

 

[The Last Conformist]

Carlos:
I saw various references earlier on, but what do you think about the fact that a newborn baby dropped in water tends to have a natural swimming tendancy, as well as humain body hair being seemingly streamline?

I believe these claims are addressed on the site I linked to.

 

[carlosMM]

Carlos:
I saw various references earlier on, but what do you think about the fact that a newborn baby dropped in water tends to have a natural swimming tendancy, as well as humain body hair being seemingly streamline?

(OT: I know you reside in Germany, but are you German? Your English really is excellent, and I'd say superior to most English and Americans.)

they are addressed in the excellent and exhaustive site TLC posted (hint: ALL mammals have that swimming tendency, which is NOT sufficient to let the baby keep the head over water).

and yes, I am Germany, though heavily AFN Europe trained (American Forces Network). Thanx for the compliment I try....