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The Offtopicgrad Soviet: A Place to Discuss All Things Red

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Cheezy the Wiz, Oct 22, 2013.

  1. Hygro

    Hygro soundcloud.com/hygro/

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    Well that's certainly one option, and there are liberating ways of doing it and there are oppressive ways of doing it and both the liberators and the oppressors are happy to tell everyone else they're leading the socialist revolution to freedom.
     
  2. Agent327

    Agent327 Observer

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    while that's interesting you seem to miss the essence of Hygro's post: if one has experienced both real existing Socialism and capitalism, and concludes that capitalism constitutes the less worse scenario, you're saying "that's picking sides". But is that really the point?
     
  3. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

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    Maybe. We can only speculate. In the meantime, we know they spend the lion's share of their time saber-rattling with the South and spending money that apparently isn't there on making sabers with which to rattle.
     
  4. ReindeerThistle

    ReindeerThistle Zimmerwald Left

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    Perhaps... but the "Chavez Revolution" started with a failed coup, then got IN via elections and stayed in power via democrati constituent assembly.

    Bolivia did an election/ constitution thing.

    Cuba used a guerrilla war as a focus around political demands.

    These countries are building socialism, which, like all class systems, involves oppression -- but of the minority "owners" in favor of the majority.

    That's how I see it.
     
  5. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    So I'm not saying it, but...yeah I'm saying it.

    http://rt.com/news/ussr-collapse-mistake-poll-585/


    Link to video.

    Also, that video is awesome en Espanol!
     
  6. Defiant47

    Defiant47 Peace Sentinel

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    It's the same in Romania. The majority believe the revolution was a mistake.
     
  7. red_elk

    red_elk Warlord

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    Today is 134-th anniversary of Stalin's birthday.



    Inhabitants of Stalin's hometown Gori in Georgia are collecting signatures to re-erect his statue in the city.
     
  8. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    For clarification, the above picture is from the Kremlin Necropolis on Red Square. I have been there, and seen the roses even on a normal day which was not his birthday.
     
  9. aelf

    aelf Ashen One

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    I dunno. I grew up in capitalist countries where there are people as poor or almost as poor as that. I wasn't born rich either and have seen much more spartan conditions.

    Poverty exists everywhere. The bankruptcy of the global capitalist system lies in its failure to actively seek to address it. I'm sure you've heard plenty about the widening income gap in contemporary times.
     
  10. Masada

    Masada Koi-san!

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    Having read into the breakup of the Soviet Union, I'm not really all that surprised that the Russians and Ukrainians would view it like that. Russia alone had something like 10 million excess deaths due to the collapse of the economy.
     
  11. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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  12. ReindeerThistle

    ReindeerThistle Zimmerwald Left

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    Cutlass, you rock!
     
  13. Formaldehyde

    Formaldehyde Both Fair And Balanced

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    This certainly puts a completely different spin on the recent protests in Ukraine.
     
  14. red_elk

    red_elk Warlord

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    Alexandrov Red Army Choir on Eurovision song contest, 2009
    Pretty interesting and amusing performance :)


    Link to video.
     
  15. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    Russians looking indestructible. As usual. Complete with a pink tank!

    Also singing a version of "Those were the days, my friend" I notice, at one stage.

    (Which may, for all I know, be a Russian folk tune, any way.)
     
  16. red_elk

    red_elk Warlord

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  17. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    So...

    What did you think of Dr Zhivago?


    Link to video.

    (Really crap voice-over, btw.)

    How close is the film to Pasternak's novel?

    I thought it was a nice David Lean film.
     
  18. ReindeerThistle

    ReindeerThistle Zimmerwald Left

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    Dr. Zhivago is a great movie from a Marxist-Leninist perspective, imo. I use it as a teaching tool as it has many good lessons.
     
  19. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    I thought the central message was that individual experience trumps politics of any stripe.
     
  20. red_elk

    red_elk Warlord

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    Can't say anything, didn't see this movie.

    Interestingly enough, just recently read an article of philologist and journalist who watched three movie adaptations of this novel to make analysis - he writes that David Lean's movie is the worst one, and more so, absolutely awful and catastrophic version, which has nothing to do with the novel.

    He said that the image of Varykino homestead from this movie from now on, will be his nightmare until the end of his days :)

    I'm not sure I can explain it, but indeed, this image of "Russian manor" causes mixed reaction of "WTF???" and hysterical laughter.
     

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