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You kind of strike me as Churchhillesque.....Lord_Iggy said:
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Churchill seems more like Contempt or Kamilian.
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Contempt is more horsey..... I never nesd with Kam, so sad, my loss
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das said:
Contempt is not like Churchill at all, IMHO. It's not just the nations he plays, but the character he gives to them--his is a very Mongolesque style.
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North King said:Contempt is not like Churchill at all, IMHO. It's not just the nations he plays, but the character he gives to them--his is a very Mongolesque style.
His Scandinavian technocrat was quite different from the standard Mongolesque, though it did share a number of traits.
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Disenfrancised said:
He's almost always encouraging personal honor, bravery, initiative, yet discipline, obedience, and so on. He almost always tries to have a warrior culture. That to me, screams "Mongol!"
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Actually the Mongols - REAL Mongols - strike me as somewhat more silveresque. As Disenfrancised mentioned, his NES2 V Scandinavia was VERY Churchillesque.
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@Das: Very funny 
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das said:
The Mongols didn't take an obscene pleasure in genocide--they simply did it when they had to. Pragmatic, efficient, brutal conquerors. And that is exactly what Contempt does.
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One problem really - Contempt's Empire lasted for quite some time.
Silver's however, do not, and that is very Mongolesque. Sure, the Mongols conquered huge swaths of land, yet they never had the cultural power to assimilate these lands. The lands assimilated them.
Silver's however, do not, and that is very Mongolesque. Sure, the Mongols conquered huge swaths of land, yet they never had the cultural power to assimilate these lands. The lands assimilated them.
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Read any of Churchill's speeches?
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Indeed. Perhaps Contempt ruled the east (eventually - Yuan), silver2039 the southwest (first the Ilkhanate, then the Timurids) and, say, emu (because of his fondness for civil wars) the northwest (the Golden Horde)?
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Didn't last long? The Ilkhanate dissolved fairly quickly, but was restroed by Timur, so we could say it lasted all the way to 1450 or thereabouts. Chatagai lasted until the 18th century, IIRC. Yuan obviously fell with the Ming rebellion, but that's because China is annoying. Golden Horde managed to stagger on all the way to the 15th century. The Mongols did not collapse immediately, nor even after a short while; they were a fairly long lasting empire, considering the massive domains they had.
If you mean the division of the realm, that, too, was very Contemptian. See stNNES3.
The Ilkhanate dissolved fairly quickly, but was restroed by Timur, so we could say it lasted all the way to 1450 or thereabouts. Chatagai lasted until the 18th century, IIRC. Yuan obviously fell with the Ming rebellion, but that's because China is annoying. Golden Horde managed to stagger on all the way to the 15th century. The Mongols did not collapse immediately, nor even after a short while; they were a fairly long lasting empire, considering the massive domains they had.If you mean the division of the realm, that, too, was very Contemptian. See stNNES3.
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I proably resemble people like Nadir Shah, Durrani, Alexander, and Sher Khan a good deal...hmm a lot of Islamic conquerors...and Hitler!! Yes definatley Hitler!! Hooray for pointless genocide!! And Napoleon.
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Fits into my scheme, I'd say. Anyway, the Mongols were the least stable and the most genocidal and atrocious in the Middle East, so IMHO silver2039 was there. He later came back as Nader Shah, btw.
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Nice crosspost we've got here...
Anyway, the Mongols were the least stable and the most genocidal and atrocious in the Middle East, so IMHO silver2039 was there. He later came back as Nader Shah, btw.EDIT:
Nice crosspost we've got here...
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However, these successor states are just that - successor states. They can't be considered the Mongol Empire anymore than the Seleukids can be considered a direct continuation of Alexander's empire. The Yuan were more Chinese than Mongol, if anything. The Golden Horde, meanwhile, never came near to the power of the original Mongol Empire, and was mostly limited to the western Steppes and Russia. The real Mongol Empire died with the Ilkhanate. Timur's Empire died with him aswell - and that, ultimately, is what makes the real Mongols more silveresque than anything.
Contempt's Mongol Empire, meanwhile, somehow became the most educated state in the world, and lasted for QUITE some time, assimilating the cultures underneath it. It was the reverse for the OTL Mongols.
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Insane_Panda said:
No. Saying that the Mongols fell apart is like saying that Charlemange's empire fell apart--it wasn't, it simply was divided up amongst the heirs. It was hardly falling apart, it wasn't being destroyed by rebellion, it wasn't imploding due to infighting--it simply continued in the form of smaller units. And that is not really silveresque. Silver's empires just tend to implode, period. The only time it split into definite successor states was during a BT--all the other times, it pretty much just fell apart, nothing like the divisions of empires that we see.
Mongols were Contemptian.
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Shall anyone draw up a list of all these OTL correlations between NESer's? It'd be something like a Historical Impressions of NESing
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