The Sound of Drums - A British Hearts of Iron II AAR

Ok now we need another map!

Its even worse to think that its a French Canadian that though of it first :p x2

On a serious note.
Look at this -------> British Army Reference Bre 23-9877
If we equip enough troops with engineer brigades the rivers should not pose that much of a problem. With your option it leaves Dunkirk with a greater possibily of encirclement. If they go at Calais they can cut Dunkirk off. If we use what force the French Airforce has to offer at Valencienne with enough engineers it should go smoothly. In fact forget my last comment .... its too risky your way, look

*Takes the pen out of Captn's hands and draws lines on the map*
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See! too risky that way, they can pinch us this way.

Are we allied with Belgium? Would be good to leave a few troops in Ghent just to dissuade the Jerries from going there! Even using their military would be good ...... If its a utter disaster we could use them later on in the war!
 
thats assuming they can break through areas we try to defend, thus making the whole plan moot, mine or yours :pX9000
 
*Punches Captn in the face*

But in my plan the distance is greater before our armies are encircled, it gives us time to evacuate troops to a another zone if they are threatened to be encircled.

:p Infinity +1
 
*falls down holding a bloody nose and begins yelling from under the table*

well my confidence in the capabilities of the British army to hold the line are enough for me, General Raisin must doubt our troops

:p Divided by Zero
 
Correction, I doubt the French troops.

:p æM
 
I would also like to mention that our job is to defeat Germany as quickly as possible and while engineer divisions would help they would not arrive on the front fast enough and would be only useful in a select few scenarios

:pX3 (thats right, out of ideas)
 
Depends on how much time we have and we must have a few already.

KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN'

:gripe:
 
I shall note now that I believe Churchill himself was opposed to having British troops die for campaigns with silly-sounding names :mischief:

In general I like the idea behind Crumpets, though General Captain has brought up the main criticisms that need to be refined. We need more troops and engineer brigades - the former is being seen to with new infantry and motorised infantry divisions being commisioned. The latter is more difficult - we're still constructing general artillery, anti-air, anti-tank brigades for the rest of our armies!

Other points:

-We will not be allowed to have military control over France. We can send Rheinmetall to try and persuade them, but I believe it will be a waste. The French would no more hand over their armies to us than we would to them.

-Belgium is not allied to us, though I have suggested the idea to them. They remain convinced their declaration of neutrality will protect them.

-If the Germans plan to invade France, it will not be over the winter months. I would consider March/April to be their starting date.

Again, I like the general plan of Crumpets, it just needs refining.

(Next update will be Sunday, earliest)
 
I shall note now that I believe Churchill himself was opposed to having British troops die for campaigns with silly-sounding names :mischief:

He he, I already have a list of silly names to give to operations.

Watch out for my next on It could be called Operation Toasted Shnitzel
! :D

Can I be put in charge of naming the operations?????????

I have a special request for the Royal Navy. Can we have a boat by the name of Lily Allen? He he I'm a freako, its for my personal pleasure.

Now what date is it? Is it winter 1940?

What is the ETA on building 4 engineer brigades? 2 per attacking territories should be enough to take away lots of the penalties. Where are our HQs? We would also need one in each Dunkirk and Compiègne with each a Field Marshall leading them, that will take away the burden of Generals leading too many armies at the same time. If we have the whole winter to set us up we need to do it the right way.

I want the intelligence central to set up spies networks. We need To have controlled leaks about putting all faith on the Maginot Line. I will order my teams to brodcast reports and orders throughout winter about a massive reinforcement of the Maginot line.
From now on the Phantom force reinforcing the Maginot line will be reffered to as The British sixth Army

Foreigh ministers should be really active on securing our allies and/or getting new ones. Focus on the latter
 
Forgive me for being late, but I have my own detailed map to bring to the attention of the defense council.

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As you all can see this is the standoff plan I have been urging the council to adopt.
The numbers on provinces indicate their importance and the line intended to be used. I have Ghent here despite what many would agree is a lost cause, however in my oppinion nothing can be farther from the truth.
1) Propogana victory that Belgium still exists.
2) Surrounded by rivers so a crossing would cause heavy casualties.
3) Easy to counterattack troops from nearby French provinces from Lille and Mons.

Next is Rheims which is strategically located and is a gateway to Paris in the wrong hands. I have red lines to represent provinces bordering each of our provinces. 3 Provinces share a border, but two are on a river, and Rheims is mostly forests which favor the defense and deter tanks.

After that we have Valencia which holds two provinces on its borders with no river crossings, but is key for counterattacking and holding the line.

Now the major flaw in my plan would be a lack of divisions. We would need at least 30 in Ghent to hold it, with 20 divisions in Rheims and the rest excluding the Maginot line in the double digits. I thinks its possible if we take into account Belgium and Netherland soldiers along with British and French ones, as well as a steady stream of reinforcements. Also leave 3 or so divisions on each border province with Italy

This plan should hold at least to winter which would give us a break and possibly embolden the Americans to join the war on our side or allow us time to create fast armor and mobile divisions to quickly bait in German troops and seal them in before the Germans can arrive.
In my military opinion with this plan used in conjunction with Naval Bombardment and the RAF victory is quite possible.
 
I don't dislike the Idea of holding Ghent.

It does present a good natural border but is flanked with 4 bordering territories.
If we have a good enough garrison the Bottleneck should work.

We can have 3 lines of assault to cut off the germans.

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Black lines represent german Advance
Red lines represent our counter offensive
Blue lines show units on Support only.

I leave to the Fine men of our different divisions to allocate the appropriate number of troops to the proposed sectors.

We are getting somewhere gentlemen.
 
Can I be put in charge of naming the operations?????????

Operation names are decided by whoever came up with the operation plan. The name can be overridden and changed by the Chief of Staff (Peck of Arabia), or by the Prime Minister (meeeee!)

The date is October 1939 (the first post of the thread lists all updates and the dates involved, so you can always see what date we are at). At present we are continuing to build up our forces for the Norwegian and French campaigns, and as I've said I don't see anything happening until at least March. You may get your engineer brigades yet.
 
to anyone interested.

You want to look smart with a flashy map?

I have the .PSD of my last map saved with all the layers ready for modification.

right here.
 

Attachments

I know Ghent would be very difficult to hold, but I think the reward outweighs the risk. The Germans would have to commit troops to hold and attack which could allow for fewer troops down the line. Also its really only three provinces that would threaten us since a counterattack from France would obsolete Mons as a threatening provinces.
 
Admiral Germanicus is bored in the Mediterrnean Sea.... But I promise General Princescamp that should the Italians join the war against us, they will get no more reinforcements to Africa for we will intercept every transport and ship they send to Africa.

I am surprised the Italians haven't chosen to ally with Germany, since they are fighting the same enemy, kind of.....
 
The Sound of Drums - A British Hearts of Iron AAR
Part Twenty-Two


15th- 30th October 1939

Perhaps they realised that the war would not be won through sheer British pluck, perhaps they realised (in the wake of the Polish defeat) that Germany was a greater enemy than previously feared, the British Cabinet suddenly came alive once more in October. The ANZAC forces had arrived in Egypt, and now it was realised that it might be best if they remained there.

Mussolini clearly desired a war that would give Italy total control over Egypt, or at worst the Suez Canal. Both would link his Libyan holdings to Abyssinia, and in the case of Suez would be a horrific blow against Britain and her supply lines. Control of the region was of immense importance, but in the end it was narrowly voted that the ANZAC’s should be moved to Britain. Given how narrowly the vote passed, it was decided that 3 of the ANZAC divisions should remain to assist Egypt and garrison the island of Malta. Ultimately this would mean only 5 ANZAC divisions would make it to Britain to support whichever campaign they were deployed to. All helpful, but still not quite enough.

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New Zealand troops get dug in.

It was partly because of this decision that new recruitment campaign in Britain began to boost her strength. The public reaction to the outbreak of war - though by no means as popular as when the Great War began - was still enough that army recruitment centres were near-overwhelmed. From this, Peck of Arabia and Nodikus agreed to begin a one year campaign that would see the creation of 18 infantry divisions. Though this would take up much of Britain’s manpower reserves, it was believed that these divisions would form the backbone of the British Army in what was inevitably going to be a long-term war. Naturally this saw opposition from the other branches of the armed forces.

The First Lord of the Admiralty, Darth Pugwash, argued that such resources would be better spent creating a new generation of war vessels. Admiral Cleric’s victory at the Heligoland Bight might have been a major propaganda boost for the Allies, but what was rarely mentioned was the near destruction of the HMS Galatea, now in drydock for months of repairs. If this was the result of a clash against an arguably similar enemy, how would the Royal Navy fare if the much feared Japanese fleet was put to battle against England?

His arguments were overshadowed by those of the Air Force. Until now Britain had been unchecked in the air, with only a brief skirmish over the channel providing any threat. With her eastern front secured however, Germany was free to throw her entire air force at the west.

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The air war truly begins

LordKestrel had arrived at a bad time. For weeks before the 21st October the British Bomber Command was easily conducting raids into the Ruhr Area, damaging German industries. Mere days after he took command of the strategic wing, Germany struck back. Messerschmitt Bf 109’s of an unknown model, but significantly more advanced than the current Spitfire range, quickly repulsed the British bombers on the 21st and 22nd. As such, more attacks were called off to wait for fighter escorts to be constructed.

In a similar fashion, German bombers attempted a strike at British transport ships as they entered the Channel. British Spitfires were scrambled on the 28th and 29th and, alarmingly, only managed what could be called a draw against the German attackers in both engagements. They failed to destroy the German naval bombers (though forced them away from their targets) but at the same time took moderate losses. It was plain to see that the Royal Air Force needed a significant boost to her equipment and numbers!

These battles over the Channel were not for nothing however, as they guaranteed the safe arrival of the transport ships and their valuable cargo. ANZAC troops had finally completed their month-long journey to Britain, ready to reinforce whatever campaign they would be needed in. There were plenty to choose from…
 
to anyone interested.

You want to look smart with a flashy map?

I have the .PSD of my last map saved with all the layers ready for modification.

right here.

This looks interesting, but am useless with using photoshop properly. Remind me about it next time we're on msn together :D

Admiral Germanicus is bored in the Mediterrnean Sea.... But I promise General Princescamp that should the Italians join the war against us, they will get no more reinforcements to Africa for we will intercept every transport and ship they send to Africa.

Bloody good point! I'm always quick to see how the enemy are gaining reinforcements but never that it's easy enough to stop in wartime.

I am surprised the Italians haven't chosen to ally with Germany, since they are fighting the same enemy, kind of.....

I normally see them declare war during the French campaign, so probably no fighting in Egypt until 1940.
 
In light of our manpower problems, I think it would be best to keep focusing on army and airforce expansion right now at the expense of the navy.
 
Welcome to the RAF, LordKestral.

I recommend we concentrate on fighter aircraft for now, and perhaps we should consider night bombings on Germany?
 
Yes, we certainly need more fighters after the latest Messerschmitt advances. Perhaps Vickers or Hawker can develop a new (or upgraded) fighter to counter the Bf109. Night bombing is about all we can do now.
 
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