The Swastika

That's a confused over-simplification. Reading Hitler's quotes on religious issues you end up concluding that what he worshipped was a Nationalistic ideal that hinged upon himself. He seems to have felt that everyone had divinity in them, but that he was considerably more divine than everyone else.

So you're looking at a personal ego cult really.
 
Why did Hitler choose the sawstika? I think it's a simple answer.

Hitler liked arcane symbols that he didn't really understand, particularly jagged and dramatic symbolism- check out the SS lightning-flashes. He surrounded himself in fetishistic imagery- statues, torches, flags etc. The swastika was just another dramatic symbol to be assimilated.
 
The swastika had the added advantage that most people in Germany in the 1920's already associated it with German/Aryan racial supremacy and anit-semitism.
 
My Boy Scout troop that dates back to the earliest days of the organization (about 1920's) used the swastika as a symbol back then, although I am in the Eastern US and I don't think the Northeastern Indian tribes ever used it.
 
Hitler wasnt Pagan, thats just propaganda, he was Christian :D .

As for why he used the swastika I really dont know, possibly he got it from the same place he got the idea about Aryans - India and old Sanskrit records. Does he give any clues in Mein Kampf?
 
The Swastika means 'unconqerable' it also makes a bold statement and is a powerful symbol for the uses of propaganda like the Soviet star or the hammer and sickle, which Hitler was combating on his rise to power from 1918 - 1933.

If you notice a lot of Hitler's early tricks were taken from socialist and communist movement leader's and it is widley thought that the swastika was used simply for the need of a powerful and evocative symbol for the infantile National Socialist movement.

As the meaning of the swastika is unconquerable it also shows what Hitler thought of the German people. Remember the German Reich as Hitler saw it had never lost a war, only it was stabbed in the back by what he termed as liberal parlimentarians and 'Jewish Communists' in a worldwide 'conspiracy' against the Germans who he termed as Aryan or in his mind superior.

Now to get all this from a symbol is easy and shows that while we might not like him (I defintley dont) Hitler was an absolute genuis in creating a message, and carrying it forth to the German people in a variety of means, caluculated to ensnare the thoughts of the very people it was designed for.
 
I got a present for a birthday a while back, it was Indian-styled, and featured Indian symbols, including a reversed Swastika.
The Swastika was originally an Indian good-luck symbol.
Hitler adapted the HakeunsKreuz (Bent Cross) and made a flag out of it. It is not the HakensKreuz per se that is the intersting bit, it's the amalgam of the flag that made the swastika.
The HakensKreuz represented some arcane ideal. The white circle represented Aryan purity. The red background represented the blood of fallen comrades.
 
Have you guys considered that that symbol is not exactly complex and that it therefore makes sense that completely different people from completely different cultures "thought it up" without ever knowing of each other?
nonconformist said:
I got a present for a birthday a while back, it was Indian-styled, and featured Indian symbols, including a reversed Swastika.
The Swastika was originally an Indian good-luck symbol.
Hitler adapted the HakeunsKreuz (Bent Cross) and made a flag out of it. It is not the HakensKreuz per se that is the intersting bit, it's the amalgam of the flag that made the swastika.
The HakensKreuz represented some arcane ideal. The white circle represented Aryan purity. The red background represented the blood of fallen comrades.
Just by the way, it's "Hakenkreuz" without the "s" and writing capital letters within a word is a strange idea, unless you are using acronyms, which then again aren't really words... ;)
 
Hitro said:
Have you guys considered that that symbol is not exactly complex and that it therefore makes sense that completely different people from completely different cultures "thought it up" without ever knowing of each other?

Just by the way, it's "Hakenkreuz" without the "s" and writing capital letters within a word is a strange idea, unless you are using acronyms, which then again aren't really words... ;)

Grammar Nazi.
 
nonconformist said:
Well, half of that's right.
"I'm a spelling"

"Imaseln ai culy."

"' pligNz culy"

"Nazi, actually."

:hmm:
 
I have a collection of Rudyard Kipling's poetry with an Indian swastika in the front. It dates to around 1903. He used on all his books until the rise of the Nazis.

The swastikas in Donald Duck in Nutziland (aka Der Fuehrer's Face) are the Kipling's rotated 45 degrees, which is the mirror image of the Nazi swastika.
 
Originally Posted by Hitro
Have you guys considered that that symbol is not exactly complex and that it therefore makes sense that completely different people from completely different cultures "thought it up" without ever knowing of each other?

That's pretty likely what could've happened. Some ideas spread around, and some just evolve independently (e.g. ideas of murder being wrong, currency). It could be that someone in a North American tribe just thought it up and used it as a symbol, and that someone in India did the same. After all, it's not that complicated a shape.
 
CruddyLeper said:
Earliest recorded = India.

Why did Hitler adopt it? I have no idea.
I believe it was adopted as it was a symbol of good luck, or good fortune or something along those lines.
 
MjM said:
Why do whenever people see a swastika, German or otherwise, they inherently think evil? Why can't anyone see it for its geometrical value, or how it looks cool!?

:agree:

I like the Swastika. It's a shame hitlar had to screw things up. Besides that, its also a Chinese letter. Just Guess what 卍 means.
 
From a diwali festival in india

DiwaliSwastika.jpg
 
Interesting debate, and I have only a small piece to interject:

I was watching "The Grey Fox" (I think that was the name) documentary in my history class oh so long ago...it was a black and white documentary, comparing Hitler and Reynard the Fox, one of my favorite childhood stories.

Its explanation for the official adoption of the swastika flag was somewhat different from what has been posted above. It didn't say that Hitler himself created it, but that it was used by Nazis and recognized by Hitler as one of the symbols of their regime. Then, before WW2 started, a German ship flying the Nazi flag alongside the official German flag visited an American harbor. Angry American protestors (some Jewish, if I recall) climbed aboard the ship, pulled the flag down, and tore it up (it apparently was also captured on video camera). Apparently, the Nazis were so outraged by this act they decided to respond by making the swastika their official emblem.

I'll try to dig up the specific references and hopefully that footage...
 
Bluemofia said:
Didn't Hitler take the Swastika and fliped it and rotated it 45 degrees?


You can see old (pre-Nazi) swastika symbols here and there. Hitler wasn't that original, as the symbol was flipped and rotated already before his times.

Swastika's nature as a symbol is to present eternity and everlasting movement, without start or end.

Swastika was a symbol many things, such as sun, sun's movement, rotation of earth, life and transmigration of soul, different phases of life and death. Basicly anything which goes on without clear start and end. The day or sun's movement was seen starting from the east (left) to the west (right) - this is why the first swastikas are usually "mirror images" to the Nazi swastika. Swastika was already "flipped" centuries ago, when it portrayed the way how world rotation was seen, from left to right. In the East life often wasn't limited to birth and death like the Western people usually tend to experience it.

In the late 19th century and early 20th century you can see a boom in using swastika as a decorative form in the Western decorative art, especially in art nouveau or art deco. In those times mythologies, occultism and spiritualism, sort of first form of New Age was experienced in the West. This pop culture kind of formed base for the Nazi mythology.

Hitler decided to use Swastika as the symbol of Nazi movement because he and other leading early Nazis like Ernst Hanfstaengl thought the movement needed similar eye-catching symbol to communism with its red flag and yellow hammer, sickle and star. Hitler designed the symbol very carefully. First people to see it described their feelings later, how amazed and captivated they felt and that they knew the Nazi movement will prevail in German politics. For many early followers, seeing the flag was a moment of decision and silent oath to follow it. Then why he used the swastika? There are no simple answers as there was no clear Nazi mythology back then. One solution could be that in Linz, Austria where he spent his boyhood, was a church which had a big decorative swastika.

In those years swastika was already used in many different ways. For example Finnish airforce used it because it received it's first aeroplane from a Swedish count who used swastika as his symbol of luck. This in 1917, when corporal Hitler was sitting in the trenches somewhere near Ypres without an idea how the future will be like.


Hope this sheds some light...
 
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