The thread for space cadets!

You proved exactly what now? I don't see any sources or math, just your own gut feeling. An impact of that size is going to cause debris to rain down for millenia, prove me wrong with something more substantial.

It's also obnoxious how you always start in on the personal attacks. "Having a bad day?" ---> Not really, just dealing with an obnoxious twerp.
 
I have class now, consider this my rebuttal to whatever follows.

Edit: And yes, I started on the personal attacks im this exchange with thr "your expertise or whatever" comment. It's annoying having to deal with someone who talks down on me every chance he gets. I jusy finished compiling a flight control program in C++ this morning, tell me how many differential equations you solved and scriptd you wrote before 7am this morning?

Oh right, you like aero stuff as a hobby and play Orbiter, so you have clearly earned the right to insert your facepalm smilies with your sarcastic comments.
 
You proved exactly what now? I don't see any sources or math, just your own gut feeling. An impact of that size is going to cause debris to rain down for millenia, prove me wrong with something more substantial.

I am not the one making an audacious claim, friend, the burden of proof lies on you. All I am saying is that to the best of my knowledge concerning this topic, ejecta would not be a problem after a few hours it would take for most of it to re-enter.

IF you claim it would, back it up with some references.

It's also obnoxious how you always start in on the personal attacks.

Me? :eek: I called you on your unsubstantiated claim, and you responded with "sure dude, whatever" and other sarcastic ad hominem comments, so I'd shut up about twerps if I were you. I don't know what your problem is, but leave me out of it.

tell me how many differential equations you solved and scriptd you wrote before 7am this morning?

None. I did, however, finish a 5-page translation, learned a bit more German, and looked up more sources for my thesis.

Finished comparing dick sizes? I am not talking down to you "every chance I get". Sometimes, when I disagree with something, I say it. I am still puzzled why you reacted in such a colossally jerk-like manner right now, but whatever, need to go to class.
 
Asteroid Didymos chosen as target for impact mission

-> Basically, a joint ESA/NASA mission to test deflection techniques on a real space rock.

The mission being devised by the European Space Agency (ESA) and international partners has been dubbed AIDA - Asteroid Impact and Deflection Assessment (AIDA).

(...)

The target, 65803 Didymos, poses no risk to our planet, but at about 800 metres across the larger of the two rocks is the most easily reachable asteroid of its size from Earth.

As a 'binary' there are two asteroids orbiting each other. The smaller space rock, with a diameter of about 150m, orbits its larger counterpart every11.9 hours at a distance of about 1.1 km.

AIDA plans to intercept Didymos around the time of its closest approach to Earth in 2022 when the binary asteroid will fly within 11 million km of Earth.

AIDA comprises two separate spacecraft: an asteroid impact probe from the Johns Hopkins' Applied Physics Laboratory in the US, called 'DART' or Double Asteroid Redirection Test; and ESA's Asteroid Impact Monitor, or 'AIM', an asteroid orbiter.

Whilst DART smashes into the smaller asteroid at around 6.25 km/s, AIM will record what happens and take measurements of the key physical properties of a binary asteroid playing a role in the system's dynamic behaviour.

Ground-based observations will take measurements of the orbital deflection, by measuring the orbital period change of the binary asteroid. AIM's close-up view would provide "ground truth" observations of the impact dynamics as well as the resulting crater, allowing ground-based observations and models to be evaluated. Didymos will be close enough to be observable by 1 and 2 metre diameter telescopes on Earth before and after the strike.

The energy released in the AIDA impact is similar to that of a large piece of space junk hitting a satellite, so the mission will also help to model severe spacecraft damage by space debris.
 
That's great news. Is it important to the proof of concept that the target is a binary, or is the choice of target primarily about the orbital serendipity?
 
That's great news. Is it important to the proof of concept that the target is a binary, or is the choice of target primarily about the orbital serendipity?

The article says it's because of the latter.

Anyway, is this a development of the ESA's 'Don Quijote' mission concept, or something new and independent on it, does anybody know?
 
I got a response back from one of the research scientists who worked on some of the Mars rovers! Apparently he's also a SETI research scientist. This is the guy I went to see speak last week and who I mentioned Kerbal Space Program to. Here is his (brief) response:

Thank you for your enthusiasm and interest. I'm passing this on to my boss and our public outreach director as they may not be aware of the simulation that you speak of, and it overlaps with some of the goals we have with respect to engaging the public. Glad you enjoyed our talks!

If his boss gets fired for devoting his life to the "sim" I wash my hands of any involvement
 
I hope they are imbued with the kerbalian spirit, that way man could be landing at Mars for next year (of course without any plan to return home and after 200 tragicomic attempts plus a good pile of dead astronauts).
 
Oh I told them to expect "many explosions and deaths.. and lack of sleep"

The public outreach director got back to me, they added Kerbal as a link on their website (where these ex-nasa researchers now work)

http://cpsx.uwo.ca/outreach/online-resources

Interacting directly with people who do such amazing things still feels amazing to me, even though we've been living in the information age for what, almost 2 decades now?
 
Nice! Orbiter guys are going to be green with envy.
 
So this Mars comet next year in October. Apparently it's a possibility because they only have 70ish days of observations to estimate its orbit. I'm sure they'll have much better by summer this time next year :)

If it did hit, up to 18 billion Megatons :crazyeye:

http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=9441.0


Mmm, I can't really wrap my head around anything bigger than 1000 Megatons.

I guess there'd be more Mars fragments found on Earth in a few decades/centuries.
 
So this Mars comet next year in October. Apparently it's a possibility because they only have 70ish days of observations to estimate its orbit. I'm sure they'll have much better by summer this time next year :)

If it did hit, up to 18 billion Megatons :crazyeye:

http://languish.org/forums/index.php?topic=9441.0


Mmm, I can't really wrap my head around anything bigger than 1000 Megatons.

I guess there'd be more Mars fragments found on Earth in a few decades/centuries.
Did you somehow miss the 2 pages devoted to this earlier in the tread? :lol:

Quite a lot of debris has already been kicked up :snark:
 
55 km/s is brutal. What is Mars escape velocity? 3-4 km/s? If it hits, i can see many fragments escaping Mars and maybe forming a new mini asteroid belt.
 
Did you somehow miss the 2 pages devoted to this earlier in the tread? :lol:

Quite a lot of debris has already been kicked up :snark:

I saw it but I want more! I have valuable things buried on Mars. ;)
http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2013/02/comet-headed-mars



When the Feds really want you, they hit you with 5000 frivilous charges simultaneously, freeze all your financial assets so you can't hire a team of lawyers, and appoint you a public defender who has maybe 10 hours for you per week. You're going to jail forever, 90% odds.


Would this comet really make Mars lose a moon if it hit one of them?
 
If it is true that the comet nucleus is 50 km wide it would eat mars moons for diner since it would be bigger than them.

If you think on it, it would be amazing to see such event in our lifetime. What are the possibilities? It is even scary...
 
Would this comet really make Mars lose a moon if it hit one of them?

Well, considering that the core of this comet is probably bigger than any one of them and moving at around 56 km/s, I'd say it's very likely :D

If you think on it, it would be amazing to see such event in our lifetime. What are the possibilities? It is even scary...

Very remote, but it would indeed be a great thing to watch. I mean, if it impacted Mars, I kind of don't want us to lose Phobos or Deimos (good sites for future space stations). Also, since we have probes there, we'd gather a wealth of data (with a bit of luck).
 
Yes, all the junk we have sent there would be vaporised probably, but otoh Mars could even get some new moons from the fragments! Probably with very eccentric and inclined orbits. I think nobody knows what will happen and astrophysics would learn a couple of things anyway.
 
Water will probably flow once again on Mars, if for a short period. Is the force of the impact enough to actually disrupt Mars's orbit/inclination?
 
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