The U.S.=the tower of Babel?

[Homie]

Originally posted by eighty
Just thought I should add this: at the genetic level of DNA, science has been unable to find differences between races.

If I understand your post correctly I would say it is incorrect. Facial features like nose and lips and the colour of you skin are just some of the genetical differences between races. I thought this was pretty obvious, am I missing something or is there something I am misunderstanding

 

[Homie]

Alcibiaties of Athenae, although I agree with your post fully, and I believe this person is very VERY ignorant, I don't think he has broken any forum rules. He hasn't used abusive language or anything like that. He cannot be punished for being ignorant, can he?

 

[Damien]

Humankind is a chain.iT WAS PROVEN THAT genetically,aborigenes are closer to asians than to africans whereas asians are yellow n africans n aborigenes black.That chain has no gap so actually there's only one race.

 

[joespaniel]

Bah! Every half-assed dictator in the last 200 years of history has made the mistake of thinking the Americans were weak, soft and/or disorganized and would crumble due to diversity and infighting.

The Americans have always risen to challenge, and will continue to do so against outside threats to our nation.

As far as domestic strife, well its always been that way here. Its the prime catalyst to change.

The United States of America is no "tower of babel". Its something thats never been before, something different.

What the future holds, we'll see.

 

[amadeus]

How'd Castro stay in power after the collapse of the USSR, joespaniel?

The U.S., in my opinion, is like a wagon. While we carry the weight of the world, there will be a few squeaky wheels, and we either grease them (ka-ching) or replace them (bang.)

 

[Pongui]

Rmsharpe... your simile sets my heart's limbs writhing in mirth. I'm reduced to jelly. American english really has come a long way, but I know exactly what you mean.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Originally posted by Homie
Alcibiaties of Athenae, although I agree with your post fully, and I believe this person is very VERY ignorant, I don't think he has broken any forum rules. He hasn't used abusive language or anything like that. He cannot be punished for being ignorant, can he?

Insults based on race IS breaking forum rules.

Suppose a white poster said "Blacks are inferior, it may be genetics, but I'm sure of it", would you think that acceptable?
Of course not.
The same principal applies here, and if nothing else, it's treating everyone the same.

People today seem to think that being white means you must shoulder any insult because of acts of the past, real or percieved, and that is simply non-sense.

 

[Damien]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
.People today seem to think that being white means you must shoulder any insult because of acts of the past, real or percieved, and that is simply non-sense.

TRUE!Only a minority enslaved or benefited from slavery.

 

[joespaniel]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
How'd Castro stay in power after the collapse of the USSR, joespaniel?

By not making a peep. He contnues to reign unchallenged by the US because he poses no threat. Theres no popular support for an invasion.
If evidence came to light that the Cubans were exporting chemical/biological weapons to America's enemies, then you could bet Casto's days were over.

Originally posted by rmsharpe
The U.S., in my opinion, is like a wagon. While we carry the weight of the world, there will be a few squeaky wheels, and we either grease them (ka-ching) or replace them (bang.)

True, but with a protracted low-intensity conflict on our hands, I doubt we'll be doing much police-work anywhere for some time.

Except, ofcourse Iraq. :scout:

 

[Homie]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
People today seem to think that being white means you must shoulder any insult because of acts of the past, real or percieved, and that is simply non-sense.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Lt.Col. Kilgore]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
Let me say straight off I'm speaking as a poster here, not forum moderator.
That said, let us press on.It most certainly is.So, from your luchroom days, we now know all about segregation.
When I went to FK Lane HS in Brooklyn NY, Black, white red, all colors sat together with their friends.In YOUR opinion.Bullsh1t.
I have NEVER seen whites talk race, I have seen a number of Blacks obsessed by it however.More nonsense, you either have limited expossure or walked into a clan meeting.The most racist people I ever met were Japanese.
Your putting forth your own bias as facts.
More bullsh1t, that is the second time you outright insulted me with a steyerotype.RACISM IN WHITES IS GENETIC?????
That sir, is THE most racist comment I ever heard.
You need to take a LONG look in the mirror, YOU seem to be what your decrying.More racist bull on your part.Your DEAD wrong.You just displayed your extreme iggnorence, what race DOESN'T do it?
No, your talking pure hate.What a disgusting post this was, you sir, if you really, truly believe that post, are a sickening individual.

Now, back to being a moderator:
This whole post was a mockery by this Kilgore, as racist and biased a thing as I have ever seen at Civfanatics, such garbage WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED HERE.

I only left this, and answered outside my duties, because hatred of this magnatude most be opposed.

This kind of garbage has no place here, or in any other place for that matter.

Do not repeat this kind of thing Kilgore, you are cautioned offically.

I'm 100% Caucasoid. My ancestors are from Northern and Eastern Europe. I'll say it how I mean it. I believe that most whites have major issues with race. We've seen this throughout history. In fact I believe the Romans were truly the only European culture who were not racist to a large degree.Then your a first class jack-ass

BTW: Like I said, I'm white hence I don't believe what I'm saying to be racist.
Your wrong, it is
I just believe that many people who come from similar backrounds seem to have similar demeanors in certain areas. Whether its nature or nurture I still cannot quite tell. Really what it comes down to I believe, is that Europe has had so many waves of different peoiple invading and displacing others. For intance, the term Celt is loosely used to describe a Caucasoid people who migrated to Europe in pre-historic times. There were many of these people and many different cultures. Most were not related yet they are all called Celts. Then you have your many Germanic peoples and the Slavs. Plus, not to mention the many invasions from Central Asiatic peoples and Islamic invasions. I believe that whites have a much larger fixation on race than other races. If racist you say, then racist is my way. Keep in mind I am white.
And extremly poor person as well, and a full blown racist to boot

Thank you AoA, mein Fuhrer.
Moderator Action: All this means is your a self-hating person.
CORRECTION:
I just read and deleated your obnoixius racist theroies, as well, as another comment calling me a nazi.
Here's an education friend, you cannot disrespect a moderator or another poster in that fashion, that is 3 days.
Add to it, you continued to shoot racist garbage afterward, 4 days, for a total of one week.
And bare this in mind, if you return, and quite frankly I hope you don't, because disgusting people like you AERN'T welcome, I will ban you at the first mention of your "theories" Lt Col Himmler.
For the membership: I had to delete several "follow on" posts by this....individual, so don't jump to conclusions and post "why was he banned" threads.

AoA
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Switch625]

Originally posted by Lt.Col. Kilgore


I'm 100% Caucasoid. My ancestors are from Northern and Eastern Europe. I'll say it how I mean it. I believe that most whites have major issues with race. We've seen this throughout history. In fact I believe the Romans were truly the only European culture who were not racist to a large degree.

BTW: Like I said, I'm white hence I don't believe what I'm saying to be racist. I just believe that many people who come from similar backrounds seem to have similar demeanors in certain areas. Whether its nature or nurture I still cannot quite tell. Really what it comes down to I believe, is that Europe has had so many waves of different peoiple invading and displacing others. For intance, the term Celt is loosely used to describe a Caucasoid people who migrated to Europe in pre-historic times. There were many of these people and many different cultures. Most were not related yet they are all called Celts. Then you have your many Germanic peoples and the Slavs. Plus, not to mention the many invasions from Central Asiatic peoples and Islamic invasions. I believe that whites have a much larger fixation on race than other races. If racist you say, then racist is my way. Keep in mind I am white.

Thank you AoA, mein Fuhrer.

Frankly, your ignorance is staggering. There is no "genetic code" for racism. Racism is propogated because either parents teach their children to be racist, or weak minded people find it convenient to blame someone different than themselves for their problems. It never ceases to amaze me how much power some people give skin pigmentation. It's unreal.

The fact that you are "white" does not absolve you from being racist toward "whites." That's baloney. You are racist.

 

[eighty]

Originally posted by Homie


If I understand your post correctly I would say it is incorrect. Facial features like nose and lips and the colour of you skin are just some of the genetical differences between races. I thought this was pretty obvious, am I missing something or is there something I am misunderstanding

Apparently, what science says anyhow, DNA from a black or white person looks the same. Science has been unable to find a way to discern a person's "race" from a DNA sample, although they can differentiate between human and salamander DNA .

To give an idea of some socially constructed defintions of races, consider what I posted earlier about birth certs showing different races than death certs. Also, think about how historically in the USA, a person with 1 black parent and 1 white parent would likely be called black and not white. Legally it used to be something like 1/4 black and 3/4 white would still make the person, in the eyes of the law, black (think Civil War era). Now we have Native American ancestry, with more and more people claiming heritage, with some extreme cases of 1/32 or even 1/64?. So they can call themselves Native American. Is this is a race? What if they are 1/4 black, 1/4 white, 1/4 Native American and 1/4 Asian? What are they? It would be up to society to define that.

Finally, tell me how to differentiate between Chinese and Japanese on the basis of aforementioned physical characteristics such as nose, lips and skin colour. I doubt many people possess that ability. This example can, of course, be applied to many "races".

 

[Pongui]

Looking at DNA to determine something like hair colour is looking with the wrong focus, because DNA has many things to say about hair colour. There is no single genetic instruction that says, "Brown hair", or whatever, so of course you'll never find what we call race in a DNA sample.

Even looking at genes (meaningful segments of DNA, like words, and what are considered the basic units of heredity) it's difficult to determine hair colour, because there are many genes which can influence hair colour. But you can certainly find genes which only one race possesses. Some genes work with other genes to create a sum trait like hair colour; others are singularly dramatic, like the "brown eyes" gene: you have brown eyes, or you don't.

The Japanese and Koreans look for a genetic "tag" among many shared genes determining eyelid shape. Once you know the gene, it's easy to tell the difference. That's more of a party game than anything one could call racism, by the way.

 

[Pongui]

Lt.Col.Kilgore:"Genetics largely influence mental functions."

It's true that genetics are mostly responsible for a person's mental setup at birth (maternal diet and birth complications may play some part, too). You seem to think that the genes attributable to visible race come in a sort of racial packet which includes all the other genes, mental, etc. It doesn't really work that way. Virtually none of the genes unique to humans are confined to race. Left-handed people can be found in any population, for example, and handedness is a genetic trait. The gene that makes people thrill under dangerous situations (AKA "gambler's gene) can be found anywhere. A very few mental/social genes have been found with greater frequency in some populations, but you've really got to remember that no race and certainly no nationality has a monopoly on any gene.

Also, genes aren't very good at influencing behavior. I might have a "tolerance to spicy food" gene, but that doesn't make me do the grocery shopping in Little India.

 

[FredLC]

Originally posted by Lt.Col. Kilgore
I personally am not racist in the way I see racism. To me, being racist is giving unfair and biased characteristics as if they are inherent in all people of that race.

That's exactly what you did, when you said that whites in general have a tendency towards racism.

 

[Adebisi]

Originally posted by Kilroy
Let's see. We annexed Florida, bought Louisiana, robbed from Mexico: Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Colorado, Utah, et al. We bought Alaska, annexed (?) Hawaii, and many of our overseas possessions were acquired by force during the Spanish-American war.

That is why I dislike America's treatment of minority languages. Most of those states were not originally English speaking.

Noone has the right to conquer a people and force it to assimilate and give up it's culture and language. 100 years ago the entire Finnish language was in minority in Russia and struggled for its existance. Considering where I'm coming from, the position of minority languages is a big gripe I have against the US.

I should add that I'm not anti-American.

 

[MuddyOne]

Adebisi, all of the states that joined the US did so willingly. Of the overseas possession taken by force I only know details of Pueto Rico. It's official language is Spanish. Hawaii is officially bi-lingual.

Little Italys, China Towns, New Bruensfields, etc. demonstrate that we don't actively try to stomp out other cultures in the US. These places don't exist because of people forcing them into the areas, but rather from people grouping that share similar culture.

A lot of Immigrants do restrict or eliminate their native tongue from being spoken in their households. It is their choice that causes this though, in an effort to become mainstream Americans.

 

[amadeus]

Adebisi, what are you suggesting then? That we split into two factions, the English-speakers and Spanish-speakers? I don't think that's worked all that well in French parts of Canada.

 

[eighty]

Originally posted by MuddyOne
Adebisi, all of the states that joined the US did so willingly. Of the overseas possession taken by force I only know details of Pueto Rico. It's official language is Spanish. Hawaii is officially bi-lingual.

Little Italys, China Towns, New Bruensfields, etc. demonstrate that we don't actively try to stomp out other cultures in the US. These places don't exist because of people forcing them into the areas, but rather from people grouping that share similar culture.

First, Hawaii's bilingual aspect originates from native Hawaiians, who were there before the English or us Americans. That's right, they had a king, a kingdom, and a military. The English came, and couldn't quite fight off the military, but could kill a lot of natives with disease, get them to fight each other, and then set up a Parlimentary government. Then the US took Hawaii. At no time did the Hawaiians have a "willing" part in joining the US. California was originally populated by Mexicans. They had established farms, villages, and ranches. Is it any accident that many older cities in California (and the name California itself), county names, river names etc. etc. are in Spanish? No! They are in Spanish because Americans pushed the native Mexicans from California, first with colonists, then with war. We did fight a war with Mexico, remember. And ethnic enclaves exist mostly because it can be very difficult for immigrants, especially those fleeing persecution in their home countries (like Hmongs), to instantly assimilate into "main-stream American" culture (whatever that is). Most ethnic enclaves have been populated by the current immigrant group occupying lowest status. Italians used to be highly discriminated against, and enclaves were a safe area to shield the discrimination. Once society stopped hating them so much, "Little Italy's" gradually faded away, to be replaced by new waves of immigrants. Currently, immigrants from Central America and South Asia are filling up the enclaves. I really doubt if it is because no one "forced" them to. On the contrary, I would suggest it is near impossible for a new immigrant with no connections not to live in an ethnic enclave.