The Ugly side of Pro-Choice....

[Traitorfish]

So your claims to a statement are so obvious as to contribute nothing to either side of the debate. You have a contributed nothing. Success! All you have done is waste more time rather then get on with the actual debate. Double success!

I would say that annihilating the basis for your diktat of "non-interference" is pretty productive.

Only if it has sentience which my opinion means it has brain activity and can perceive and feel pain.

Exactly. Personhood is not a necessary result of membership of Homo sapiens, any more than it is exclusive to it.

 

[Behind The Mask]

Murder is murder.

Except when its not.

Which, in this case, its not and you seem quite oblivious in your summing up of our position as murder.

Why not argue the subject instead of making some desperate plea for an appeal to emotion.

 

[Bei1052]

How is removing a piece of extraneous tissue comparable to stealing things from people.

Number one, a fetus isn't tissue (since you believe otherwise, what kind of tissue is it?). Number two, I thought you weren't concerned with the effects allowing on entity to act according to his or her own will would have on another relative to not allowing that entity to act against another according to his or her own will. Who cares if a few million people end up missing some of their personal belongings via legalizing theft. We'd have saved a few hundreds thieves from suffering whereas they could have ended up injured or even dead otherwise.

I think pro-life males are funny. They dont have to worry about getting pregnant. Heck. Im a virgin and from time to time I worry that one of these days Im gonna get raped and pregnant or whatnot.

I'm a male. So what? Surely you wouldn't argue that being a male prevents me from speaking out against abortion.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

First of all, even if it weren't, it is still true. People who want abortion on demand want it since it is Convenient

As someone who supports abortion on demand, I'd like you to kindly stop telling me the roots of my opinions. I don't postulate on why you feel the need to believe in invisible people, and I'd appreciate the same regarding my beliefs. People get a lot nicer when you stop doing that.

Second of all, whether it is or not depends on what rights you feel the fetus has.

I worry about my rights, let the woman make her own decision about hers.

Also, if you really wanna stop this "mass infanticide", why don't you look at abortion statistics broken into tax brackets, and try and solve the socio-economic problems that cause a girl to decide she can't have a baby at that point in her life?

 

[NickyJ]

Except when its not.

Which it is.

A cow is a cow.
Theft is theft.
Abortion is abortion.

We can play this pin the emotion stirring word on the donkey all day, but we won't get anywhere.

And murder is murder. You have the idea. Killing a child is killing a child. Abortion is killing a child.

 

[MobBoss]

You can't correct for others what is the fault of your own understanding and single-minded approach to everything. Cmon MobBoss, you are smart enough not to need me to hold your hand like this for sarcasm.

First of all, we both know what I just said is precisely true. Secondly, you trying to shift this in saying your 'holding my hand' is just diversion of me calling you out on your original comment that led to all this. I also point out the simple fact that aside from your alleged sarcasm, you havent really offered any proof notwithstanding of the type of fraud your saying happens.

Does it happen? I am sure it does. But its neither as easy or simple in the practice thereof as you allege. In fact, a reasonable person would say its probably hugely self-defeating for someone who actually intends on performing medicine without a license to try and commit such fraud by publishing said documents openly on the web.

 

[GhostWriter16]

As someone who supports abortion on demand, I'd like you to kindly stop telling me the roots of my opinions. I don't postulate on why you feel the need to believe in invisible people, and I'd appreciate the same regarding my beliefs. People get a lot nicer when you stop doing that.

Fine. Why do you support it then, other than for her convenience?

I worry about my rights, let the woman make her own decision about hers.

If by "Hers" you mean "Hers" then fine. When an innocent human being gets caught in the crossfire, that's another story.

Also, if you really wanna stop this "mass infanticide", why don't you look at abortion statistics broken into tax brackets, and try and solve the socio-economic problems that cause a girl to decide she can't have a baby at that point in her life?

So steal instead of murder? Lesser of two evils I suppose.

However, that still isn't the point. Our point is that its murder, and should be punished, not that we should merely spend our way out of it.

 

[Behind The Mask]

Which it is.

Is not.

 

[NickyJ]

As someone who supports abortion on demand, I'd like you to kindly stop telling me the roots of my opinions. I don't postulate on why you feel the need to believe in invisible people, and I'd appreciate the same regarding my beliefs. People get a lot nicer when you stop doing that.

Believing in God is far, far different from murdering babies.

I worry about my rights, let the woman make her own decision about hers.

So the fetus doesn't get rights then?

 

[NickyJ]

Is not.

Abortion=Killing. Killing=Killing. Killing=Murder. Therefor, Abortion=Murder. Somebody flunked on their math test, and it wasn't me.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

And murder is murder. You have the idea. Killing a child is killing a child. Abortion is killing a child.

Except fetus is not a child.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Abortion=Killing. Killing=Killing. Killing=Murder. Therefor, Abortion=Murder. Somebody flunked on their math test, and it wasn't me.

Stepping on a bug = Killing. Killing = Killing. Killing = Murder. Therefore, Stepping on a bug = Murder.

 

[Traitorfish]

Abortion=Killing. Killing=Killing. Killing=Murder. Therefor, Abortion=Murder.

"Killing = murder" is a self-evidently over-generalisation. One may as well claim that "sex = rape".

So the fetus doesn't get rights then?

No. That's kind of the point.

 

[Behind The Mask]

Abortion=Killing. Killing=Killing. Killing=Murder. Therefor, Abortion=Murder. Somebody flunked on their math test, and it wasn't me.

Seeing as those little 'equations' have no relevancy to math I suppose you didn't fail math, but you flunked out elsewhere.

Plus, even if this were a math problem you got the first lil equation 'abortion=killing' wrong and thus so the rest falls apart with it.

So either way, you've failed.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Abortion=Killing. Killing=Killing. Killing=Murder. Therefor, Abortion=Murder. Somebody flunked on their math test, and it wasn't me.

I hate to do this, but frankly, this argument does not work.

If I kill a bug or if I slaughter a cow for steak, is that murder?

I'd prefer to put it this way:

Abortion=killing.

Killing=killing.

Murder= Taking Human Life Without Just Cause.

Fetus= Human in Womb

Therefore:

Abortion = Murder.

 

[Dachs]

Killing=Murder.

No, it isn't.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

If I kill a bug or if I slaughter a cow for steak, is that murder?

You could argue it that way.

 

[GhostWriter16]

No, it isn't.

Correct. That said, killing a human being without just cause is.

You could argue it that way.

Well, I hardly think Nicky J would however based off what I know of him.

Cows??? Well, the Hindus in India think this. Based off Science... You could say it was immoral, but I find it hard to conclude it is murder.

Now, an insect? NOBODY thinks that's murder.

 

[Behind The Mask]

Abortion=killing.

Killing=killing.

Murder= Taking Human Life Without Just Cause.

Fetus= Human in Womb

Therefore:

Abortion = Murder.

Doesn't matter to me.

Either way, two people take two different paths and still come to the wrong conclusion.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Correct. That said, killing a human being without just cause is.

By definition, murder is unlawful. Abortion isnt.