The Ugly side of Pro-Choice....

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MobBoss said:
What about Gorilla Grodd? :mischief:
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I try to avoid anything related to DC superheros that aren't batman.

Gorilla Grodd is a hyper-intelligent telepathic gorilla with the power to control the minds of others. At one time he was nothing more than an average ape, but after an alien spacecraft (retconned from a radioactive meteor, the same one that empowered Hector Hammond) crashes in his African home, Grodd and his troupe are imbued with super-intelligence by the ship's pilot
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CMON.
 
The last few pages of this thread read like someone vomiting up a half digested dictionary.

1) Murder is by definition unlawful killing. Claiming abortion is murder is incorrect.
2) Foetuses are both scientifically and legally distinct from born children. For example, they respire differently.
3) Abortion refers to the termination of a pregnancy by means of cutting of the foetus's connection to the mother. What the doctor way back in the OP was doing was murdering birthed babies. There is a distinction.

Those posts that equated various inaccurate terms with other various inaccurate terms were of little value as they did not explain why abortion is immoral, nor under what criteria. Posting "abortion is murder" says little of one's actual thought processes, hence the large number of definition nit picks. How is one meant to respond?
 
mrt144 said:
You're equating the opinion that all fetuses are not people with the opinion that all Jews are not people?

:lol:

How is that logical in the least?
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"But the Holocaust!" is a popular unlogic among reactionaries. I remember being told that vegetarianism was immoral, because if I accorded rights to animals, then Hitler was justified in not according them to Jews. Somehow. It was never quite explained. :crazyeye:
 
My Mum drank and smoked while carrying me. I didn't turn out that bad.

I wouldn't recommend it however.
 
Why am I not surprised whatsoever that those who do not believe in God are the ones who are supporting abortion the most?


Link to video.


Link to video.

And people still don't want to accept that a fetus is a baby. It's sickening. Where does this disregard for innocent human life come from? Why is it totally acceptable to kill them whenever it's inconvenient for the mother?

I am not talking extreme cases here, I am talking women who get pregnant but don't want a baby, and use abortion as birth control. Obviously cases of incest or rape or pregnancy that threatens the life of the mother are different and something the mother has to work out with God.
 
No-one wants to abort babies at 26-28 weeks unless the mother's life is in danger.
 
Sure, we disagree on the moral status of fetuses. However, we tend to agree on the moral status of birthed babies. And, frankly, the only people I've seen justify and excuse the slaughter of birthed babies are Christians. So, maybe the whole atheist-tagging aspect isn't warranted.

I didn't listen to the audio. I liked that second video's choice of images, their cartoons were nicely informative.
 
Holycannoli said:
Why am I not surprised whatsoever that those who do not believe in God are the ones who are supporting abortion the most?


Link to video.


Link to video.

And people still don't want to accept that a fetus is a baby. It's sickening. Where does this disregard for innocent human life come from? Why is it totally acceptable to kill them whenever it's inconvenient for the mother?

I am not talking extreme cases here, I am talking women who get pregnant but don't want a baby, and use abortion as birth control. Obviously cases of incest or rape or pregnancy that threatens the life of the mother are different and something the mother has to work out with God.
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Appeal to emotion failure. Fetus is not a person. Also, isn't 26-28 weeks in the third trimester? Something that most people are against?
 
28 weeks, that is nearing the end of second tri/beginning of third. At that stage most people would agree abortions should be life of the mother only.

Why am I not surprised whatsoever that those who do not believe in God are the ones who are supporting abortion the most?
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I belive in a God.
However, belief in a God is irrelavent here as the understanding of conception and pre-natal development was sadly lacking when the Hebrew and Apostles wrote the Bible. The limited information god relays to us about abortion seems to indicate supporting abortion in life of the mother cases. In Deuteronomy God lays out how a fully grown woman is worth far more then a child.

Why is it totally acceptable to kill them whenever it's inconvenient for the mother?
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Because it isn't sentient and it little more then a piece of meat at the early stages? No cognition, no functioning nervous system, incapacity for life without direct support? I might as well be asking you how you feel about eating freshly prepared sushi.

I am talking women who get pregnant but don't want a baby, and use abortion as birth control.
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So you are in essence condemning a woman to a life changing event simply because the condom broke? If you look at the data from various European countries with legalized abortion, you would notice that they use abortion as 'birth control' less then America.
 
By the third trimester, a baby can sustain life depending on the situation, and therefore it is a person.

There are people who are perfectly normal and born at 6 months without need for any medical care, although they will probably be held at the hospital for a time to be throughly checked over.
 
Holycannoli said:
Why am I not surprised whatsoever that those who do not believe in God are the ones who are supporting abortion the most?.
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I have in fact stated before in the thread that a better scope would be 22 weeks (after accounting for Mobboss's exceptions) and below.

Again, this is nothing but hyperbole to demonize your opposition.

Furthermore I don't care much for bringing religion into this whole matter, honestly I don't give a damn for your god and if you ask me he has more to account for then any proponent for legal abortions...

I don't much care for abortion as birth control myself but every post you seem to take an extreme and imply the majority supports it.

So quick to judge when you don't even know the reasoning behind your opponents position... all you have are assumptions.
 
Holycannoli said:
Why am I not surprised whatsoever that those who do not believe in God are the ones who are supporting abortion the most?
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Why am I not surprised whatsoever that does who cannot get pregnant are the ones who are supporting bans on abortion the most?

See, I can do it too.
 
mrt144 said:
I'll tell you one thing that the videos highlighted for me; gestation is a gross process.
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Yup. Now I want there to be more abortions, because it upsets me to think that this is going on all around me.
 
Appeals to emotion that is all they can do.
 
Holycannoli said:
Why am I not surprised whatsoever that those who do not believe in God are the ones who are supporting abortion the most?
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You mean why is it that nearly all the people who are so vehemently opposed to abortion are typically those who are extremely religious? That they really cannot come up with any basis to support their opinions other than their own religious beliefs and personal morals? That the majority of both religious and non-religous people from civilized countries support abortion as a matter of personal choice?

Nobody is trying to force anybody else to have an abortion in this country. Too bad the opposite doesn't hold true for so many of the people who oppose it. They don't seem to mind trying to tell everybody else how they must live based on their own personal conception of what is morally right.
 
Domination3000 said:
I was addressing Aimeeandbeetles' specific argument, not the issue at large. Seriously, why can't you tell the difference?

Here was her post, paraphrased:
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I dunno, lets find out

Domination3000 said:
And I proved this argument illogical, because if its murder, its totally irrelevant what is safe for the woman.

That was my point, but obviously you weren't paying much attention.
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Woah, woah, pump the brakes kiddo. Do you see the connection now?
 
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