The Ugly Truth About Scientology.

[silver 2039]

about as morally unsound as any religion can be without resorting to Satanism

Satanisim is not "morally unsound" why don't you try and learn something about Satansim before speaking your preconcived misconceptions about it.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

In your opnion.

No, as a matter of fact.

Oh and this thread has been reported for religous bashing.

You've been reported for a poorly disguised attack on Christianity, then.

 

[silver 2039]

No, as a matter of fact.

Once again in your opnion. Scientology is as legitamate a religon as any other. All religons are in essecne cults and fulfill the defination of cults. Call Sceintology a cult regocgnize that it could be applied to all other relgiogns.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Once again in your opnion. Scientology is as legitamate a religon as any other.

To make an analogy, the difference between Christianity and Scientology is sort of like the difference between a post with a typo and a troll post going "OMG TEH EYE BEAMS MAKES U WRONG AND ME RIHGT!!!", and you're saying "both are as legitimate as each other".

And since you brought up "definations", aka definitions:

A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false

I missed the bit were Christianity was generally considered extremist or false, not just in your opinion and that of a few other militant atheists.

All religons are in essecne cults and fulfill the defination of cults. Call Sceintology a cult regocgnize that it could be applied to all other relgiogns.

I am honestly having difficulty with the grammar of this post, so I kindly request that you take a few minutes to make your arguments more legible. It seems that you're either giving an imperative command or making an [if you]-[then you must] statement with the clauses left out.

On the other hand, if you want to interpret "false" in the definition above so that any adherent of any religion de facto considers all other religions false, then you've deprived the word "cult" of meaning by making it synonymous with "religion". And if you want to remove words from language for your own pleasure, you can go and mangle yourself with a rusty spork.

 

[GenMarshall]

Once again in your opnion. Scientology is as legitamate a religon as any other.

How can Scientology be a legitamate religon as Judaism, Catholicism, and any other religion?

All religons are in essecne cults and fulfill the defination of cults. Call Sceintology a cult regocgnize that it could be applied to all other relgiogns.

I would disagree, The Major religions are not cults. They are eather Ecclesias or Denominations. My definition of a cult would have to include New Religious movements. Cults are often small in nature and are always are eather in opposition with the state or compleately ignored.

Apperently, I think that Scientology has pulled a couple of strings to be reconised as a religion where in reality, you have to pay to use thoes wacky electro meters that basicly does nothing.

 

[Azash]

How can Scientology be a legitamate religon as Judaism, Catholicism, and any other religion?

Why wouldn't it be?

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Why wouldn't it be?

Maybe because the founder instituted torture policies still in place, issued a memo saying "MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE TO MAKE MORE MONEY", repeatedly lied, lied and lied some more (for example about his wartime service), and because members have to sign themselves into slavery for the next million (or is it billion) years?

http://www.xenu.net
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson

- but if you want a real answer, you have to say what defines a "legitimate" religion.

 

[silver 2039]

To make an analogy, the difference between Christianity and Scientology is sort of like the difference between a post with a typo and a troll post going "OMG TEH EYE BEAMS MAKES U WRONG AND ME RIHGT!!!", and you're saying "both are as legitimate as each other".

I don't know what youre on about so sure....

I missed the bit were Christianity was generally considered extremist or false, not just in your opinion and that of a few other militant atheists.

The other religons of the world consider Chrstianity to be false. Also I am not a militant atheist. I am an anti-religonist who is against all large, organized evalnagical religons of the world.

How can Scientology be a legitamate religon as Judaism, Catholicism, and any other religion?

All their stories are equally unbeliavble. They all offer the same thing salvation. Chrstianity through worhsipping someone who got curcified, and Scientology with a spaceship to reach Xenu or some such thing...

am honestly having difficulty with the grammar of this post, so I kindly request that you take a few minutes to make your arguments more legible. It seems that you're either giving an imperative command or making an [if you]-[then you must] statement with the clauses left out.

On the other hand, if you want to interpret "false" in the definition above so that any adherent of any religion de facto considers all other religions false, then you've deprived the word "cult" of meaning by making it synonymous with "religion". And if you want to remove words from language for your own pleasure, you can go and mangle yourself with a rusty spork.

Attacking grammer is bad arguemnet strategy. Excuse me if I don't type up my posts in microsoft word beforehand. Evevrything is relative nothing is absloloute. One man's religon is another man's cult.

I would disagree, The Major religions are not cults. They are eather Ecclesias or Denominations. My definition of a cult would have to include New Religious movements. Cults are often small in nature and are always are eather in opposition with the state or compleately ignored.

Apperently, I think that Scientology has pulled a couple of strings to be reconised as a religion where in reality, you have to pay to use thoes wacky electro meters that basicly does nothing.

And this is diffrent from other religons how?

 

[Azash]

To me, a religion is any supernatural-based belief system.

 

[GenMarshall]

Why wouldn't it be?

Its relatively New Religious Movement (Scientology has been around since the 1950s). Plus their way of aquiering memberships consist of paying a fee to use thoes silly electro do-hickies they call E-Meters which is esentialy a Galvanometer used in lie detector tests. And you keep paying and paying untill you eventualy learn their deap truths and doctrines. Also they hide their truths and doctrines from lower OTs (Operating Thetan) untill they reach a certan level.

In contrast to Catholicism, the Church shares their truths and doctrines to people who inquire and as well as through a period of catechist instruction. And this is all done free with no charge.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

@Azash: Would the Necronomicon (pdf) be considered a religious document? It seems to me like you're watering down "religion" by making it so expansive.

@silver 2039:
When I ubarfgyl unir qvssvphygl haqrefgnaqvat lbh, vg vf abg "onq sbez" gb erdhrfg lbh gb pynevsl. Znxvat gung nethzrag vf rffragvnyyl n fgngrzrag bs "V'z ynml" (naq pna'g or obgurerq gb rkcynva), nygreangryl, n crefbany nggnpx bs "Lbh'er fghcvq" (naq vgf lbhe snhyg sbe abg haqrefgnaqvat).

 

[Azash]

So? It's like using GIMP or PS, one's free and the other's not.

 

[Azash]

Hehe, judging by the browser crashing I can't open .pdf's ATM.

 

[GenMarshall]

All their stories are equally unbeliavble. They all offer the same thing salvation. Chrstianity through worhsipping someone who got curcified, and Scientology with a spaceship to reach Xenu or some such thing...

I thought it was the lost souls that Xenu droped in the volcano and nuke them. Realy I dont believe that happen because there are no evidence of an extra-terestial nuclear detonation in Hawaii.

And this is diffrent from other religons how?

Other religions dont demand money from their parishoners.
Scientologists demand money from their parishoners when using their E-meters and progress in the OT ranks.

 

[GenMarshall]

Hehe, judging by the browser crashing I can't open .pdf's ATM.

You may want to try an Adobe Reader.

 

[Azash]

You may want to consider the sentence "at workplace PC"

 

[Winner]

Islam, to some degree, has also characteristics of a cult, as well as certain other main religions.

You seem to be forgetting that all the poor fools joined them voluntarily. They voluntarily ruined their lives, similarly to people who start drinking, abusing drugs and so forth.

I agree that this so-called Church is dangerous and it should be dealt with accordingly, but you can't blame somebody else for your own stupidity and weakness. If I started drinking and gave up the university, I would most probably end up as a broken drunkard living in a railway station in a paper box. People wouldn't say "look at him, that is so sad, we must help him", but "look at this idiot, he could live a potentially promising life, but instead, he wasted it."

But again, the stupidity of the scientology's victims doesn't excuse their exploitation of other people. Both sides are to blamed.

 

[Stylesjl]

Scientology is a very dangerous cult and is a testament to man's (Woman's) gullibility.

 

[silver 2039]

I thought it was the lost souls that Xenu droped in the volcano and nuke them. Realy I dont believe that happen because there are no evidence of an extra-terestial nuclear detonation in Hawaii.

There's no evidence of many things it says in the Bible, Koran, Torah, and such. Earth 4,000 years old? Carbon dating contradicts that for exmaple.

Other religions dont demand money from their parishoners.
Scientologists demand money from their parishoners when using their E-meters and progress in the OT ranks.

The collection plates at churches and tithting? The Four Pillars of Islam which require 5% of income to go to the mosque and such? Those aren't monetary requirmenets?

 

[GenMarshall]

There's no evidence of many things it says in the Bible, Koran, Torah, and such. Earth 4,000 years old? Carbon dating contradicts that for exmaple.

You're talking to a Catholic who does not take the Holy Bible that literaly . However, there are archeological findings that links the Bible (primarly the Old Testiment, and this includes the Torah) with the ancent world. As for the Quran, You have to ask a Muslum on that one.

The collection plates at churches and tithting? The Four Pillars of Islam which require 5% of income to go to the mosque and such? Those aren't monetary requirmenets?

The collection plates at the Churches and tithting are only done voluntarly and its up to the parishoner if he or she wants to donate money or not. Plus, the money gathered (After covering the costs of matanance of the church as well as utility bills) is used for non-profit activites such as donating that money to the needy. Perhaps the same for a Muslum, but you need to ask a Muslim about the 5% of their income going to a mosque. Scientology does not use the money they gather for non-profit activites. Insted, they just horde the money and dont even give a penny to the needy.