Well that would be fine if it was a thread saying what is your favourite album/music/song etc, this is not what is your favourite made up view of reality? That I think is the point. It's somewhat OT, don't get me wrong I am perhaps the most guilty poster of going off on a tangent at times, I just thought this thread had devolved into ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
Not saying Ahhhhh Matthew, type thread.
So I decided to play Matthew.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70IAwHTzrHI&mode=related&search=
This for example is more on topic.
Well you have only seen half the picture I guess. While I do subscribe to a mystical view of existence, I also fully subscribe to the value and truth (little "t") of science and reasoning as an important, but limited source of knowledge.
@PrincepsAmerica, Sidhe, & CartesianFart:
I would like to know what your most favorite songs or pieces of music are and then have you tell me why they are and why they make you feel the way they do when you hear them. I am sure you can reason that out and explain it in a manner I can understand.
Now if you only listen to them when you are drunk or stoned please ignore the question.
Sectarian violence in the name of religion is mostly just that: people using religion as the excuse for personal/national power and prestige. Religion is one of the many tools used by leaders to incite passion in people to go to war or make trouble. Very few (if any) of those wars are truly wars of "religion". They were about power and control of land and resources. Religion is the excuse.
You missed my point. If 18th century Americans mostly believed that blacks are inferior, 21 century Americans that all men are equal, and hypothetically, 24th century Americans believe that Norwegians are inferior to everyone else, which of those is right? Are any of them 'right'? The latest one? Is the latest generation always the one who knows the truth about reality? If thats the case, then isnt reality whatever a majority of people at any given moment decide that it is?
Good post.
Princeps, not at all, its just that with two days of posts to sift through, Id need to hire a temp to help sort it all out. Maybe you could refresh my memory.I directly answered this a few posts back Bozo. You purposely avoiding my posts?
Thank you sir
Princeps, not at all, its just that with two days of posts to sift through, Id need to hire a temp to help sort it all out. Maybe you could refresh my memory.
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Ah, alrighty then lets unpack it and see what we have here.
Youre making the mistake of thinking like a 21 century man. With your tail nailed to the present, you'll get nowhere with this sort of question. If you were an 11th century man, you and everyone else at that time would have believed that the homeless man was insane. North and South America didnt exist yet, as far as the rest of the world was concerned. BTW, that homeless guy didnt 'know' anything about the Western Hemisphere. Sometimes crazy people can be accidentally accurate.
If all evidence seems to point to one conclusion, does that mean that conclusion is necessarily the 'truth'?
I dont think Im being all that awkward. What Im saying is really very simple and straightforward: At different points in his history, man has had different ideas about what reality is. The latest generation always believes that it is the correct one. Just as you do.
I dont know about timeless, but Im pretty sure one or two of PAs revered marble statues would have agreed with me, when they were aliveTimeless.
That would be funny
All of Princeps dead heroes spring back to life, and they all log in to say he's wrong about everything. It would be a good Twilight Zone episode
Curt, thats your standard, stock response to any thread that has the word Jesus in it. It says nothing about the ideas talked about in the thread. Im curious as to what you really think.
I see that my use of 'accurate' flew right by you. Considering the fact that I actually reside in North America, I think I should get props and street cred for not calling it 'truth'. The vast majority of people in the world at this moment believe that North America and South America exist. They also believe Europe and Asia exist, yes. I have no objections at this juncture, Your Honor.
Those philosophers you admire didnt discover their ideas about reality by looking under rocks, or into microscopes, or telescopes. It took a whole lot of meaningless jabbering, and they were damned good at it.
Or 'just we do'? Thats probably what I should have said. Sure, like I said above, I have no objections to the Western Hemisphere existing, at this current time. I'll let the world have that one
Phew, I think I got whiplash reading that sentence. You'll be hearing from my attorney. PA, you keep labelling things as 'nonsense' and then moving on. Why are they nonsense? Thats the interesting part, not hearing people make declarations about whats heresy and what isnt.
To paraphrase your buddy Chesterton, humanity craves coherence, so we brought it into being.
Oh yeah, I didnt really answer that. Truth is a moving target. We have an imaginary dart board where we order our truths. The bullseye represents certain core beliefs like that things fall 'down', and North America exists. As you get farther out from the bullseye, the truths become less and less concrete, and more fuzzy until we run out of dartboard. Then everything beyond that is 'crazy'. Or 'beyond this point there be dragons'. Things get added to and taken out of the bullseye zone, all the time. Isnt that how things have been since day one?
