PrincepsAmerica
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I think you meant to say 'subjectivity'. Otherwise what you said doesn't quite make sense. Its resorts to subjectivity that are insane.
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I think you meant to say 'subjectivity'. Otherwise what you said doesn't quite make sense. Its resorts to subjectivity that are insane.
punkbass2000
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Now that is a question.
Nylan
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I understand what Bozo is saying
A lot of it probably comes from reading 1984 (as my sig can tell you
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If all evidence that there was ever a state known as Assyria was destroyed, then how would we know it existed? Were we there? No. There is no way to "logically" prove it. And as so many insist, if it can't be proven then it must not be true.
So it's either Bozo is right
or one must use *gasp* faith
But then again, how do we know that something like this hasn't already happened? Crazy, eh?
A lot of it probably comes from reading 1984 (as my sig can tell you
)If all evidence that there was ever a state known as Assyria was destroyed, then how would we know it existed? Were we there? No. There is no way to "logically" prove it. And as so many insist, if it can't be proven then it must not be true.
So it's either Bozo is right
or one must use *gasp* faith
But then again, how do we know that something like this hasn't already happened? Crazy, eh?
The only thing that exists is that which is infinite, eternal, permanent and unchanging, whatever you choose to call it. Everything else is transitory and changing all the time.
Thousands. He interacted with a great many, traveled, and preached to masses of crowds. Many people witnessed his presence, the miracles, and came to realize that he was someone very special. They then either rejected him, or put their faith in him.
But it was not some small group of people. He had become a very public figure, towards his end. Taken before kings, governors, high priests, etc. The only way this could happen, was if everyone was talking about him - thus obviously many people knew him. He was more than just the 'talk of the town', but rather all of the Holyland. And eventually, the world.
punkbass2000
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The only thing that exists is that which is infinite, eternal, permanent and unchanging, whatever you choose to call it. Everything else is transitory and changing all the time.
Could you be more specific?
Could you be more specific?
Why of course. Within the physical unverse everything is always changing. From on emoment to the next nothing stays the same. With our limited ability to see things as they are, we are fooled into thinking that there are things that don't change. I am not the person I was when I started to type this post. I have new thoughts and ideas I didn't have that brief time ago. My body has changed: cells have died, new ones created. To my wife who is sitting behind me I appear the same. But I am not. Nor is she. Both of us are closer to death. The chemical balance (or imbalance) of my cells and is constantly changing; even the quarks and gluons are dancing to new tunes and changing partners every second. If, as some here think, we are nothing but chemical reactions in a body bag, we are never at rest, never static and unchanging. And it is thus in all things in the universe.
We are transitory constructs of whatever is smaller and more fundamental than our quantum parts. We are not Real in the sense that we exist in any permanent sense. We exist only in the context of what we and others perceive. Do the rocks, trees and ocean know we exist? Are we real to them? Probalby not. As I said above what is Real is only that which does not change.
punkbass2000
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What does not change?
That which is infinite, eternal, permanent and unchanging. Would you like to give it a name?
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
I agree with all of this, but it doesn't mean that these things don't exist. It just means that everything is constantly in a state of change.
punkbass2000
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TheBladeRoden
Deity
what does it mean to exist?
punkbass2000
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To not be non-existent.
"Exist" is a funny word. Its meaning is very "squishy". If everything is always changing what does exist? A tree exists to us because we have named it. But do we exist to a tree? The moon exists to us, but does it exist to my cat? Do quarks exist if they cannot be found outside of a combination with another quark?
If I die now, what has died? The atoms and molecules are stil there? The quarks and gluons are still there, the are just acting a bit differently. The activities of my parts have changed that's all. And if I am merely the result of those chemical processes, then why am I not still around if the processes change? Or am I? To you I appear different. Could your pereception be the problem?
If it did, it wouldn't have those three.
punkbass2000
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There were four.
There were four.
"Permanent" and "unchanging" are very similar, they count as one. I use them both because it sounds better.
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punkbass2000
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He was mine first! 
GoodEnoughForMe
n.m.s.s.
It means that we incorrectly interpreted empirical evidence, not that perception changes physical reality.
Why not? I haven't seen any evidence to the cotnrary.
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