Time to get rid of the Monarchy?

[Takhisis]

A man cannot become a woman and vice versa...that doesn't mean that men are better than women, more capable than women, etc...the only area where men have an inherent advantage is physical exertion, and even then, there are many women who are stronger than the average man, and many men who are weaker than the average women. Humans are sexually dimorphic.
But in terms of being a monarch, a politician, a writer, a scientist, a philosopher, etc...men are not inherently better suited to those roles than women are, or vice versa.

That's strange, because the British monarchy which you unquestioningly hold up as an example happens to prefer the oldest male children of every branch and their descendants over the female children and their descendants and then repeats the same among subsequent generations.

 

[Uncle Paul]

-Claims to hate Marxism
-Wishes to return to the period when Marxism was at its most popular and closest to achieving its revolutionary goals

Curious.

It's also the period where European imperialism was at its height, a period before woke stuff became popular, a period before mass migration into Europe, Franco was dealing with Marxism properly in Spain, etc...

That's strange, because the British monarchy which you unquestioningly hold up as an example happens to prefer the oldest male children of every branch and their descendants over the female children and their descendants and then repeats the same among subsequent generations.

That is no longer the case, had Princess Charlotte been born before Prince George, she would have been William's heir, not him. If Prince George's first child is female, she will be his heir, not her younger brothers, if she has any. It's Her Majesty's influence...showing how great a Queen can be, that led to these changes.

 

[amadeus]

Y’know it was the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha clan that deposed your beloved Oom Paul, right?

 

[Uncle Paul]

Y’know it was the Saxe-Coburg and Gotha clan that deposed your beloved Oom Paul, right?

It was the elected leadership of the United Kingdom, not Victoria herself, and it was motivated by banking interests, not by the interests of the British monarchy. Jan Smuts was a guest at the wedding of Princess Elizabeth to Lieutenant Philip Mountbatten (later known as Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II and His Royal Highness Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh). If they were good enough for General Smuts, they're good enough for me.

 

[amadeus]

It was the elected leadership of the United Kingdom, not Victoria herself, and it was motivated by banking interests, not by the interests of the British monarchy.

I think Vicky could have thrown a fit and put the kibosh on the whole thing, but those diamonds were too spicy to pass up, as well as showing who’s the boss in southern Africa. Portugal found this out when they tried to connect their two colonies.

 

[Uncle Paul]

I think Vicky could have thrown a fit and put the kibosh on the whole thing, but those diamonds were too spicy to pass up, as well as showing who’s the boss in southern Africa. Portugal found this out when they tried to connect their two colonies.

An 80-year-old figurehead doesn't bear responsibility for the Boer War.

 

[amadeus]

An 80-year-old figurehead doesn't bear responsibility for the Boer War.

Perhaps, but the reconciling of affinity for the now-Windsors and Afrikaner nationalism leaves me nonplussed.

 

[GenMarshall]

That's strange, because the British monarchy which you unquestioningly hold up as an example happens to prefer the oldest male children of every branch and their descendants over the female children and their descendants and then repeats the same among subsequent generations.

You also forgot the following to inherit the British crown:
1. Not be Catholic (conversions to Anglicanism from Catholicism does not count. Conversions from Catholicism to…..[insert non Christian Catholic Religion]….then to Anglicanism doesn’t count either)
2. Not be a[n illegitimate child]
3. Souses aren’t counted
4. Eldest son gets the crown. If no sons, the eldest daughter gets to inherit. (This you already brought up )

At least that’s how CGP Grey simplified it in his video.

It's also the period where European imperialism was at its height, a period before woke stuff became popular, a period before mass migration into Europe, Franco was dealing with Marxism properly in Spain, etc...

The woke stuff only became popular within the last 10-15 years.

 

[amadeus]

It took some time to get there, I think it started with Joey Lawrence.

 

[Uncle Paul]

Perhaps, but the reconciling of affinity for the now-Windsors and Afrikaner nationalism leaves me nonplussed.

Well, seeing as the Windsors get attacked frequently by "anti-colonialists" and "anti-colonial" ideology is a far greater threat to Boers today than British nationalism is, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Also, the Queen herself had a great sense of humor, did her duties well, I have a lot of personal respect for Elizabeth II, Her Majesty the Queen.

The woke stuff only became popular within the last 10-15 years.

You could argue that the anti-colonial stuff was proto-wokeness.

 

[Arakhor]

You could also say that reactionaries and progressives have existed throughout all of history, even though the language used to describe them changes with the time and place.

 

[Uncle Paul]

You could also say that reactionaries and progressives have existed throughout all of history, even though the language used to describe them changes with the time and place.

And I am ultra-reactionary, and proud to be.

 

[amadeus]

Well, seeing as the Windsors get attacked frequently by "anti-colonialists" and "anti-colonial" ideology is a far greater threat to Boers today than British nationalism is,

I don't see the connection between retentionist monarchists and veld-dwelling Calvinists.

 

[emzie]

And I am ultra-reactionary, and proud to be.

You keep saying the quiet parts aloud.


... thank you, I think

 

[Takhisis]

And I am ultra-reactionary, and proud to be.

So now that this is settled, can we move on? Because it feels like any further engagement with you on this subject will be argument by assertion.

 

[Ajidica]

It's also the period where European imperialism was at its height, a period before woke stuff became popular, a period before mass migration into Europe, Franco was dealing with Marxism properly in Spain, etc...

Well, Francisco Franco is still dead.
No fondness for Austerity Britain? Certainly existed before "woke stuff" became popular.
(Though I must say I'm curious as to what "woke stuff" is.)
Regardless, the European colonial project has many brutal events in its history. Geocide of the Herero, British concentration camps in Kenya during the Mau Mau uprising, and the particularly well known horror of the Belgian Congo; a situation that horrified even dyed in the wool colonialists.

Listen to the yell of Leopold's ghost,
Burning in Hell for his hand-maimed host.
Hear how the demons chuckle and yell,
Cutting his hands off, down in Hell.

You could argue that the anti-colonial stuff was proto-wokeness.

I've heard many things, but I never thought I would hear Robert Mugabe, Yoweri Museveni, Jawaharlal Nehru, Moshe Dayan, Chaim Herzog, or Paul Kagame described as 'proto-woke'.
(Heck, even Maggie Thatcher rejected the idea of Rhodesian independence and insisted on local majority rule.)

 

[GenMarshall]

And I am ultra-reactionary, and proud to be.

Being ultra-reactionary is something not to be proud of.

 

[amadeus]

No fondness for Austerity Britain? Certainly existed before "woke stuff" became popular.
(Though I must say I'm curious as to what "woke stuff" is.)

Who could not love groundnuts, the Beeching axe, and Suez?

 

[Ajidica]

Who could not love groundnuts, the Beeching axe, and Suez?

A country that gets involved in failed agriculture schemes, failed modernization programs, and failed foreign interventions.
I LITERALLY CANNOT TELL IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BRITISH EMPIRE OR THE SOVIET UNION.

 

[amadeus]

A country that gets involved in failed agriculture schemes, failed modernization programs, and failed foreign interventions.

I'll help narrow it down for you:

• best government jobs and titles handed out as patronages
• leaders are reclusive and shuttle between private residences and opulent palaces
• support for Nigeria in the Biafran war