Time to get rid of the Monarchy?
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I've seen his father, Constantine, be termed "former king of Greece". "Former prince" would be ok, but Bbc seems to prefer to not allow any anti-british monarchy ideas.
One has to assume that when his father dies, Pavlos' kids won't be "crown prince/princess" either, and that at least in his case he once was that isn't enough to perpetually give him the title.
One has to assume that when his father dies, Pavlos' kids won't be "crown prince/princess" either, and that at least in his case he once was that isn't enough to perpetually give him the title.
Uncle Paul
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Because the monarchy is a force for good. Perhaps it was different in Greece (based on your username, that's where I assume you come from), but Queen Elizabeth II did a good job and was a net positive for the UK.
Anticipating that a minutes silence wouldn't be observed by all Scottish football fans, the Scottish league arranged a minutes applause instead.
So Celtic fans sang 'If you hate the royal family clap your hands'
I saw a quote from another Scot, James Connolly about a royal visit to Dublin, probably the last one for a century.
'We will not blame him for the crimes of his ancestors if he relinquishes the royal rights of his ancestors; but as long as he claims their rights, by virtue of descent, then, by virtue of descent, he must shoulder the responsibility for their crimes.'
So Celtic fans sang 'If you hate the royal family clap your hands'
I saw a quote from another Scot, James Connolly about a royal visit to Dublin, probably the last one for a century.
'We will not blame him for the crimes of his ancestors if he relinquishes the royal rights of his ancestors; but as long as he claims their rights, by virtue of descent, then, by virtue of descent, he must shoulder the responsibility for their crimes.'
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Uncle Paul
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sophie
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lmao.
amadeus
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Since this has become the spot for all things monarchy, I suppose I should put my thoughts here re: the service.
I watched it, not quite sure what to expect. I felt kind of bad for Charles, I think he was having a tough time holding it together when they played “God Save the King.” I was also surprised when the BBC said the procession to the Wellington arch (?) was 1 and 1/4 miles long, that’s pretty long. Along with the gun carriage used for Queen Victoria, that was interesting to note.
The music at the service was good, the procession was a little bit repetitive. Some of the last organ music played as the service ended to me had a kind of sinister sound, like something I’d expect to hear in some Dracula movie or something.
I’m glad there wasn’t any talking over the service (watched via the beeb on YouTube) but the commentary after the service, it wasn’t all that interesting.
I watched it, not quite sure what to expect. I felt kind of bad for Charles, I think he was having a tough time holding it together when they played “God Save the King.” I was also surprised when the BBC said the procession to the Wellington arch (?) was 1 and 1/4 miles long, that’s pretty long. Along with the gun carriage used for Queen Victoria, that was interesting to note.
The music at the service was good, the procession was a little bit repetitive. Some of the last organ music played as the service ended to me had a kind of sinister sound, like something I’d expect to hear in some Dracula movie or something.
I’m glad there wasn’t any talking over the service (watched via the beeb on YouTube) but the commentary after the service, it wasn’t all that interesting.
Apolitical like shielding credibly-accused child molesters? That kind of apolitical?
I'm not enamoured with politics, right? But that doesn't make "apolitical" automatically good. Even when the word is being used correctly, which it is not.
Uncle Paul
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If you're talking about Prince Andrew, his accuser was 17 at the time, which is legal in England, where it allegedly took place (AoC there is 16). She did strip him of the ability to use the HRH title, and he is no longer a working royal. He was her son, she loved him, and she tried to protect him. That's what a good parent does - when your kid screws up, you try to help them to the best of your ability, no matter what they did.
sophie
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If anything, they should have more political baggage, given the whole of their political power and legitimacy is invested in the sanctity of their blood and the passage of that blood down through the succeeding generations.
The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living, to appropriate Marx.
The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living, to appropriate Marx.
Uncle Paul
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I despise Marx, his ideology, and his followers.
sophie
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I don't care.
Uncle Paul
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Are you a Marxist?
Hi, I'm from the UK. Your specific line of defense here tells me you only understand the case from a specifically-politicised angle. Which is very funny, considering your original praise.
No buddy. When they break the law - and sure for the sake of argument I am recognising that the law isn't always just and shouldn't be assumed to be such - the law has been broken. If I were to aid my son in a murder case, I would be an accomplice. How do you think that works for child trafficking and prostitution, by the by?
(hint: it doesn't involve "but your honour they were 16", which is likely a factor in why said saintly Prince settled to the tune of $12 mil)
I mean, you can't have it both ways. You can't said "the Queen did her best and / or the monarchy is a force for good" while simultaneously saying "technically it wasn't a crime" and "but she ostensibly punished him so that makes it okay".
If she punished him, odds are it was a crime. And hey! He still got off more lightly than the estranged grandson. What a justice system
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me too movement was for Weinstein lot , in return for past events that would have been solved far earlier . Like hijacked or whatever and Trump haters should be real careful in throwing stones now that the former Prince was thrown under the bus to distract . From whatever .
after the last person who had been born in 1922 , before the Sultan's leaving lstanbul has died , the Ottoman Dynasty is no more , as per descriptions given a few years back . The Greek guy is , as such , the Crown Prince . And , while at it , it would have been real fun to have Boris Johnson claim the Ottoman throne on some invented technicality .
after the last person who had been born in 1922 , before the Sultan's leaving lstanbul has died , the Ottoman Dynasty is no more , as per descriptions given a few years back . The Greek guy is , as such , the Crown Prince . And , while at it , it would have been real fun to have Boris Johnson claim the Ottoman throne on some invented technicality .
Uncle Paul
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I am right, though. The accuser was 17 at the time, 17 is legal in England, where it allegedly happened. Modern society is weird about 16-17 year old women, anyway...historically, that's a perfectly respectable age to take a bride.
It was a bad decision, but not one that qualifies as criminal...if I got super drunk before going to my brother's wedding, that would be a bad decision, but not criminal.No buddy. When they break the law - and sure for the sake of argument I am recognising that the law isn't always just and shouldn't be assumed to be such - the law has been broken. If I were to aid my son in a murder case, I would be an accomplice. How do you think that works for child trafficking and prostitution, by the by?
(hint: it doesn't involve "but your honour they were 16", which is likely a factor in why said saintly Prince settled to the tune of $12 mil)
I mean, you can't have it both ways. You can't said "the Queen did her best and / or the monarchy is a force for good" while simultaneously saying "technically it wasn't a crime" and "but she ostensibly punished him so that makes it okay".
If she punished him, odds are it was a crime. And hey! He still got off more lightly than the estranged grandson. What a justice system
You are wrong, though.
No, there's a reason I said "breaking the law", buddy.
sophie
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lmao
"she is benign and benevolent, free of political baggage"
"she used her political power for personal ends"
reconcile these statements for me.
"she is benign and benevolent, free of political baggage"
"she used her political power for personal ends"
reconcile these statements for me.
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