If I'm served the wrong food, or the speed of the service is terrible, I would not tip at all. I don't care whose fault it is; all I know is that it's not my fault.
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I don't quite know why ... but I just shed a little tear
maybe because that reminds me of my dear departed great granddad, who new his place in society or the fact he would never act above his position or question his betters... Do you always do what "society expects you to do", "do you vote the way society expects" or in the privacy of the moment do you lash out and maybe make your own choice ... do you wait for society to change its attitudes on social issues or are you in its vanguard, maybe you uphold society's stance for decades after great moral issues have changed and someone tells you that your out of set with society and you do a hop skip and jump to get back in step with society
merry christmas .... whoops... sorry... Happy Holiday
I don't quite know why ... but I just shed a little tear
Do you always do what "society expects you to do", "do you vote the way society expects" or in the privacy of the moment do you lash out and maybe make your own choice ... do you wait for society to change its attitudes on social issues or are you in its vanguard, maybe you uphold society's stance for decades after great moral issues have changed and someone tells you that your out of set with society and you do a hop skip and jump to get back in step with society
merry christmas .... whoops... sorry... Happy Holiday
I'm glad we have someone in this thread brave enough to stick it to our evil waitstaff overlords.
Perfection
The Great Head.
I don't quite know why ... but I just shed a little tear
You've got me pegged there.Always
Always.
Society is always right
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Bud2998
Bud the Ironfist
The annoying thing about tip credit is that while in theory the employer is obligated to compensate by bringing the employee up to the minimum wage in the event that the employee's tips don't do so, in practice it usually doesn't happen. I find this to be more of a case with food delivery drivers who get paid something around $4 an hour more than any other tipped occupations, where on a series of bad days they might take two deliveries an hour and not get the $3.25 total in tips needed per hour to bring them up to the $7.25 an hour minimum wage. Because tips are regarded as a measure of one's performance, if an employee who speaks up about this when most employees are consistently falling under minimum wage is liable to be, and often is, fired for failing to give satisfactory service to the customer. This can be really unfair to a food delivery person when you consider that more often than not their performance is measured solely in the speed of their delivery (and if the kitchen staff is slow, it's beyond the driver's control) and that a number of people simply won't tip you out of principle no matter how great a service you provide them.
Moreover, also bear in mind that tip credit can be a hindrance to your mom and pop small restaurants. The system serves the interests of the large chains more than anyone. Because those large chains have the name recognition which draws a large and reliable consumer base at most hours of the day, such restaurants have the conditions where their employees are actually able to rely on a steady stream of tips. A server working the down time between lunch and dinner, for example, probably won't be screwed over with only receiving $2.17 an hour or whatever it is. Moreover, the large number of customers makes it so that on average one or two bad apples who refuse to tip for good service will usually be compensated by more generous customers who will tip more than expected. Compare that to a small restaurant where a stream of customers is anything but reliable and one bad apple can screw up the server's pay for that whole night. If this becomes enough of a problem (as in, even if they assume all customers tipped 10 - 15%, the employee still isn't brought up to a minimum wage average), it forces those small restaurants to pay their servers at a higher wage and thus puts them at a competitive disadvantage to the larger restaurants.
Moreover, also bear in mind that tip credit can be a hindrance to your mom and pop small restaurants. The system serves the interests of the large chains more than anyone. Because those large chains have the name recognition which draws a large and reliable consumer base at most hours of the day, such restaurants have the conditions where their employees are actually able to rely on a steady stream of tips. A server working the down time between lunch and dinner, for example, probably won't be screwed over with only receiving $2.17 an hour or whatever it is. Moreover, the large number of customers makes it so that on average one or two bad apples who refuse to tip for good service will usually be compensated by more generous customers who will tip more than expected. Compare that to a small restaurant where a stream of customers is anything but reliable and one bad apple can screw up the server's pay for that whole night. If this becomes enough of a problem (as in, even if they assume all customers tipped 10 - 15%, the employee still isn't brought up to a minimum wage average), it forces those small restaurants to pay their servers at a higher wage and thus puts them at a competitive disadvantage to the larger restaurants.
aelf
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Let's do it the free market way. If you don't tip then the practice will eventually be changed. So don't tip.
Ayatollah So
the spoof'll set you free
Whoa. There is certainly a correlation - happy customers indeed:
source
80% more people acted generously toward a random stranger based on finding a freaking dime! Of course the cook's abilities will affect tips.
Facts showing why paying minimum wage is a good thing should persuade you that paying minimum wage is a good thing.
Everyone deserves minimum wage if they have a job, that's why it's called "minimum wage." Unless you want to do away with minimum wage altogether. Besides that, it is common in the restaurant biz to pay the lowest possible wage (minimum or sub-minimum), whether it is a 4 star zagat rated fine dining experience or whether it is a lowly IHOP. What differentiates you is tips, and paying sub minimum wage will affect everyone who works equivalent hours equally, no matter their mad waiting skillz, insofar as the hit to their paycheck.
As far as the restaurant not affording it, they can raise the prices of the food. I will happily pay a little more for my burrito if it means the people serving me can make a living wage.
Some of those should be obvious, think about it. If your boss covers 70% of your wage with your tips, but overreports your tips, what happens? If your boss makes you work hours on non-tip hourly work but covers those hours with tips from other hours, what happens? You lose even more money.
If your employer is paying you subminimum wage, other common restaurant schemes that numerous restaurants use to underpay you are going to be compounded on top of that problem and magnify it.
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