TM 01 - The alphabet games - America

[rddc05]

I think so. He can jump in in a new slot when he returns to the boards.

 

[rddc05]

OK, no sign of Burglar or SkunkDoctor. Anyone else want to take it? They can hop in when they get back to the boards.

 

[namliaM]

I guess that makes

- Burglar => MIA
- Mailman => Up
- namliaM => On deck
- rddc05
- SkunkDoctor => MIA
- SpriteSoda => skip up until 15/4

 

[Burglar]

Okay - i've got it. I will play tomorrow.

 

[rddc05]

Cool, Burglar sneaks in to claim his spot.

I think we are researching guilds at the moment and wonder where to go afterward. Maybe education? If we trade Sal for Philosophy we are on our way to Liberalism and a free tech. Any thoughts?

 

[SkunkDoctor]

Hey guys checking in. I am going to have to be out for this one indefinitely, my computer was fried by my roomate and he conveniently has no $ to get it fixed. Yay. I will lurk where I hae net access though. Good Luck.
Hopefully I'll be back for when we play Monty.

 

[namliaM]

OK new summary and roster:

- Burglar => Back in bussiness
- Mailman => On Deck
- namliaM
- rddc05
- SkunkDoctor => Out of action till Comp is fixed
- SpriteSoda => skip up until 15/4

 

[Burglar]

Hey. I am on vacation this easter weekend. so I won't be able to play.
Heard about the patch. What about our current position?
I will install the new patch. Are we able to play on with the new patch ?

 

[namliaM]

Well sheez... is this a hard SG or what?

- Burglar => Out of bussiness for easter weekend
- Mailman => Want to take it now?
- namliaM
- rddc05
- SkunkDoctor => Out of action till Comp is fixed
- SpriteSoda => skip up until 15/4

What up about the patch? to patch or not to patch? Or when to patch?

 

[rddc05]

Err, I kind of already patched. The other SGs I'm playing are all patching, so...I vote for patching and playing on.

 

[MailMan]

I got it. I will play pre-patched, but I vote to patch it later on.

 

[MailMan]

Turn 179 (1190 AD)
MailMan: sign peach with england for spare change and world map
Washington begins: The Spiral Minaret
MailMan: changed production in Washington to spiral minaret and MM it to 10 turns
Seattle begins: Confucian Academy
New York grows: 8
Philadelphia finishes: Catapult
Seattle grows: 2

Turn 180 (1200 AD)
Philadelphia begins: Catapult
MailMan: Monti sent one axe to pillage the iron and the rest of the stack moved to grassland
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
Catapult promoted: Barrage II
Catapult loses to: Aztec Longbowman (4.08/6)
Maceman promoted: Combat I
Maceman promoted: Cover
Maceman defeats (1.60/8): Aztec Longbowman
Maceman defeats (0.80/8): Aztec Longbowman
Maceman defeats (3.68/8): Aztec Longbowman
Maceman defeats (2.00/8): Aztec Axeman
Horse Archer promoted: Combat I
Horse Archer promoted: Shock
Horse Archer defeats (2.94/6): Aztec Jaguar
Axeman loses to: Aztec Axeman (2.10/5)
Spearman defeats (1.68/4): Aztec Axeman
MailMan: lost a cat and a axe but took most of Monti stack
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Aztec Axeman
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Maceman promoted: Woodsman II
New York finishes: Market
Boston finishes: Horse Archer
Philadelphia grows: 7

Turn 181 (1210 AD)
New York begins: Maceman
Boston begins: Horse Archer
Horse Archer loses to: Aztec Catapult (3.90/5)
MailMan: lost wounded horse archer at 75% vs cat
Spearman promoted: Combat I
Islam has spread: Chicago
Philadelphia finishes: Catapult
Canterbury grows: 2

Turn 182 (1220 AD)
Philadelphia begins: Longbowman
Horse Archer loses to: Aztec Catapult (1.30/5)
MailMan: lost another HA against the odds
Maceman defeats (3.20/8): Aztec Catapult
Boston grows: 7

Turn 183 (1230 AD)
Horse Archer defeats (6.00/6): Aztec Jaguar
MailMan: Monti stack is leaving Phillie and head south (probably for Seattle)
Maceman promoted: Combat II
Maceman promoted: Shock
Catapult promoted: Accuracy
Philadelphia finishes: Longbowman

Turn 184 (1240 AD)
Philadelphia begins: Crossbowman
Maceman defeats (7.04/8): Aztec Jaguar
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Aztec Catapult
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison I
Longbowman promoted: City Garrison II
New York finishes: Maceman
Boston finishes: Horse Archer
Atlanta grows: 7
Atlanta finishes: Maceman

Turn 185 (1250 AD)
New York begins: Maceman
Boston begins: Horse Archer
Maceman defeats (5.12/8): Aztec Jaguar
New York grows: 9

Turn 186 (1260 AD)
London begins: Theatre
MailMan: Monti stack went into the open
Maceman promoted: Combat I
Maceman promoted: Shock
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Aztec Axeman
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Aztec Axeman
Maceman promoted: Combat I
Maceman promoted: Combat II
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Aztec Axeman
Maceman defeats (4.88/8): Aztec Spearman
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Aztec Catapult
Maceman promoted: City Raider I
Tech learned: Guilds
Philadelphia grows: 8
Philadelphia finishes: Crossbowman


MailMan: game crashed - reloaded from autosave

Turn 187 (1270 AD)
Crossbowman promoted: Drill I
Crossbowman promoted: Drill II
Crossbowman defeats (4.80/6): Aztec Jaguar
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Aztec Jaguar
Boston finishes: Knight
Seattle grows: 3

Turn 188 (1280 AD)
Boston begins: Knight
MailMan: first knight came of the stables
Horse Archer promoted: Combat I
Horse Archer promoted: Shock
Horse Archer defeats (2.94/6): Aztec Jaguar
Maceman promoted: Cover
Crossbowman promoted: Drill III
Washington finishes: The Spiral Minaret
St. Peter (Prophet) (Great Prophet) born in Washington
Chicago grows: 4
Maceman defeats (6.80/8): Aztec Longbowman
Maceman defeats (2.00/8): Aztec Catapult

Turn 189 (1290 AD)
Washington begins: Notre Dame
Tech learned: Compass
MailMan: we got the minaret, start on Notre dame
MailMan:
MailMan: we got a prophet which I move to new york for a shrine
Maceman promoted: City Raider III
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
Catapult promoted: Accuracy
Maceman defeats (6.64/8): Aztec Longbowman
Maceman defeats (6.08/8): Aztec Spearman
Horse Archer loses to: Aztec Catapult (3.70/5)
MailMan: we lost that horse archer at 98.9%
Swordsman promoted: City Raider II
Swordsman defeats (2.64/6): Aztec Catapult
Buddhism has spread: Texcoco
Captured Texcoco (Montezuma)
Crossbowman defeats (6.00/6): Aztec Catapult

summery: signed peach with england to concentrate on Monti, kill off Monti invasion force for very small loses, went on the offensive to capture one of his cities.
we got the spiral minaret and started on noter dame
we got guilds and knight and we are on the way to liberalism

our new captured city:

 

[namliaM]

Got it, Looking forward to bashing Monties head in....

 

[rddc05]

Good job mailman, I think we lost about 3 units in that entire can of whoopass we opened on Monty.

I have a few suggestions for the upcoming turnset:

1) We are really losing out by not building the Heroic Epic. I suggest Philly, immediately, perhaps using chops.

2) I think Sal is around -5 annoyed with us. We probably need to set up a defensive force around New York.

3) I take it we will build the shrine with the prophet. Hopefully it will spread quickly to one of our production cities so we can build an Islamic Monastery and start spamming missionaries. We should be sending out the occassional Confucian mish too.

4) City maintenance is hurting us. I understand we are on a war-footing, but we shouldn't lose sight of our research and tech lead. I suggest chopping courthouses immediately in Canterbury, Atlanta and Seattle. In London, we should insert a Courthouse at the top of the queue and whip it. This will cost 3 pop, but 2 are unhappy and the third will grow back in about 2-3 turns.

5) Seattle should be a third production city. I'm not sure why we are building a Confucian Academy there, maybe I am missing the strategy and someone can explain it to me. We need a courthouse, barracks and forge there pronto. 2 or 3 grasslands should get farms so that we can work all those nice hills.

If we build the shrine and get courthouses up in Atlanta, Canterbury, Seattle and London, we should be able to bump up the research and continue pumping units to lay the smack down on Monty.

One more thing: we may want to consider razing newly conquered cities that aren't that great, as the upkeep is going to kill us and/or leave us open to counterattack.

 

[MailMan]

5) Seattle should be a third production city. I'm not sure why we are building a Confucian Academy there, maybe I am missing the strategy and someone can explain it to me. We need a courthouse, barracks and forge there pronto. 2 or 3 grasslands should get farms so that we can work all those nice hills.

I found this city producing culture instead of anything productive, I switch for the conf academy to make better use of the city.
In retrospect this wasn't the greatest choice especially now that we got a city near it and there is no culture pressure.
It may be best to abandon that build and start something else.

One more thing: we may want to consider razing newly conquered cities that aren't that great, as the upkeep is going to kill us and/or leave us open to counterattack.

I usually capture cities that I can keep and raze cities that will suffer too strong culture pressure.
The upkeep cost is not a problem right now (we are almost even money on 70% science), we are about to add additional shrine to help with that as well.
We should grab as much land as we can right now.

 

[SpriteSODA]

Im back! just need to read all I missed and Im back in action=]

 

[namliaM]

Hey welcome back Sprite....

- Burglar => Out of bussiness for easter weekend
- Mailman ==> Up and got us in it with monty
- namliaM => Did it to monty
- rddc05 => Up
- SkunkDoctor => Out of action till Comp is fixed
- SpriteSoda => On deck

By the short and curly's, I wasnt able to do much. The front is sorely lacking... But I build us the Heroes Epic in Philly, started london on Versailles and razed a city of monty, which would have been under serious cultural presure from Saladin had I kept it.

One more important thing happened, I denied a request for paper to Saladin. We are not on good terms with our neighbour currently. Expect him to DoW in the next turnset or 2. Maybe we should make peace with Monty and take those 2 cities of of Saladins hands, They are just begging to be taken (tho why they havent flipped yet??
Nasjran and Basra would make very good complements to our empire.

I did manage to take out one Iron mine of monty, but the other one near the south is still operational...

The log:
Turn 189 (1290 AD)
Philadelphia begins: Heroic Epic
London begins: Courthouse
Chicago begins: Courthouse
Seattle begins: Courthouse
Canterbury begins: Courthouse
Canterbury begins: Library
London begins: Versailles
New York begins: Islamic Temple
New York finishes: Maceman
Canterbury grows: 3
London finishes: Theatre

Turn 190 (1300 AD)
New York begins: Knight
New York begins: Confucian Monastery
New York begins: Islamic Monastery
New York begins: Islamic Temple
New York finishes: The Masjid al-Haram
New York begins: Grocer
Maceman defeats (5.60/8): Aztec Jaguar
Maceman defeats (7.04/8): Aztec Spearman
Maceman promoted: Combat I
Maceman promoted: Combat II
Washington begins: Hindu Monastery
Washington begins: Market
Chicago finishes: Library

Turn 191 (1310 AD)
Washington begins: Worker
Washington begins: Knight
Washington begins: Market
Atlanta begins: Worker
Crossbowman defeats (6.00/6): Aztec Catapult
Knight promoted: Combat I
Knight promoted: Combat II
Knight defeats (7.40/10): Aztec Catapult
Maceman promoted: Combat II
London begins: Forge
New York grows: 10
Boston grows: 8
London finishes: Forge

Turn 192 (1320 AD)
Philadelphia begins: Aqueduct
Washington finishes: Worker
Philadelphia grows: 9
Seattle grows: 4
London grows: 4
Confucianism has spread: Hastings (English Empire)

Turn 193 (1330 AD)
Boston finishes: Knight
Philadelphia finishes: Aqueduct
Atlanta grows: 8
Atlanta finishes: Maceman
London's borders expand

Turn 194 (1340 AD)
Boston begins: Catapult
Boston begins: Catapult
Boston begins: Knight
Texcoco begins: Courthouse
Knight promoted: Combat I
Knight promoted: Combat II
Maceman promoted: Combat I
Maceman promoted: Medic I
Maceman defeats (0.80/8): Aztec Longbowman
Maceman defeats (3.20/8): Aztec Axeman
Maceman defeats (5.92/8): Aztec Jaguar
Knight defeats (8.70/10): Aztec Catapult
Philadelphia begins: Knight
New York begins: Courthouse
New York grows: 8
New York finishes: Grocer
Philadelphia grows: 7
Philadelphia finishes: Heroic Epic

Turn 195 (1350 AD)
Knight promoted: Combat II
Maceman defeats (8.00/8): Aztec Jaguar
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
Catapult promoted: Accuracy
Washington finishes: Knight
Boston finishes: Catapult
Chicago grows: 5
London grows: 5

Turn 196 (1360 AD)
Knight promoted: Combat I
Maceman defeats (6.56/8): Aztec Axeman
Boston begins: Market
Boston begins: Knight
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
Maceman promoted: City Raider III
Philadelphia finishes: Knight
Canterbury finishes: Granary
London finishes: Courthouse
Maceman defeats (2.48/8): Aztec Axeman

Turn 197 (1370 AD)
Maceman promoted: Combat I
Knight loses to: Aztec Axeman (2.60/5)
Maceman defeats (6.64/8): Aztec Axeman
Maceman defeats (6.80/8): Aztec Catapult
Knight promoted: Combat I
Knight promoted: Flanking I
Washington grows: 10
New York grows: 9
Philadelphia grows: 8
Seattle grows: 5
Canterbury grows: 4
Maceman defeats (2.96/8): Aztec Catapult
Maceman loses to: Aztec Catapult (5.00/5)
Maceman defeats (6.80/8): Aztec Longbowman
Catapult loses to: Aztec Axeman (3.30/5)

Turn 198 (1380 AD)
Washington begins: Grocer
Maceman defeats (3.92/8): Aztec Spearman
Boston grows: 9
Boston finishes: Catapult
Atlanta finishes: Worker
Seattle finishes: Courthouse
Hinduism has spread: Chengdu (Chinese Empire)
Maceman loses to: Aztec Longbowman (1.20/6)
Maceman defeats (0.88/8): Aztec Longbowman
Catapult loses to: Aztec Longbowman (3.96/6)

Turn 199 (1390 AD)
Atlanta begins: Market
Catapult promoted: Barrage I
Knight defeats (1.60/10): Aztec Longbowman
Maceman defeats (5.92/8): Aztec Spearman
Confucianism has spread: Calixtlahuaca (Aztec Empire)
Buddhism has spread: Calixtlahuaca
Confucianism has spread: Calixtlahuaca
Captured Calixtlahuaca (Montezuma)
Razed Calixtlahuaca
Buddhism has spread: Calixtlahuaca
Confucianism has spread: Calixtlahuaca
Calixtlahuaca lost
Washington begins: Market
Seattle begins: Forge
Seattle begins: Confucian Monastery
New York begins: Islamic Monastery
London begins: Hindu Temple

 

[rddc05]

Good job namliam, I had a quick look at the save. I should be able to play tonight.

I'm thinking we should prep for war with Sal immediately but wait about 10-20 turns - unless he attacks first. I think it would be a good idea to swap back to Org. Religion at this point to get some infrastructure up in our new conquests and spam some missionaries.

Anyone have any suggestions or input? What about tech trade advice (I'm terrible at effective tech trading)?

 

[rddc05]

K, here are the main events:

Checked tech screen and realize we lost our tech lead to Sal. Made peace with Monty and switched to serfdom and organized religion. Spent turns mainly improving tiles and building infrastructure, with units continuing from Boston and Philly, got research up to 90% at -4 gold or so. Finally got Confucianism spread to Washington (our capital!!)

We got a Great Prophet in Washington. I recommend we use him to discover a little more than half of printing press once we get Liberalism (Nationalism as free tech of course). The other option would be to add him as a super-priest in New York. After Nationalism we should build Taj Mahal in Washington.

Traded for Philosophy, Engineering and Optics (I knew Divine Right would come in handy), finished up education and now about 5 turns from Liberalism.

London is undergoing tremendous cultural pressure from Nottingham. I suggest we get a unit or two there and maybe pop rush Versailles if we go back to Slavery.

Sal definitely needs to be taken down a peg. The two cities we want have high cultural defense but only a few units. There are two stacks ready to go on those two cities whenever the next player is ready. He canceled our wine/corn deal about 4 turns ago, so he might be thinking of declaring.

Whoever goes next might want to switch back to Theocracy/Slavery and maybe even go to Vassalage if we are going to take down Sal. Seattle is ready to go as a military city. Personally, I would prefer a short/limited war as it tends to erode our tech lead. Currently we have the tech lead again, with Sal's knowledge of Banking the only tech any AI has that we don't. Education is our only tech that Sal doesn't have. We are not in that great a position to handle a counter-attack or a sneak by Monty, but I will leave it up to you warmongers to decide when/how to go to war with Sal.

 

[SpriteSODA]

Am I next? BTW I allready patched the game, I hope I did right.