TNESI: The Glorious Mysteries

[Luckymoose]

To: Golden Horde
From: Poland

We ask of you to give us more land as we fought just as hard and long as you did. We want more land.

 

[The Farow]

From Bavaria
To Poland

We can hand over the rich Slavic territories ethnically closer to Poland and in exchange we would like to have the rich German territories around the city of Rostock. We would like to remind our Polish allies not to get too greedy as you have gained a lot of land considering where you have started from. Bavaria has been in the war from the beginning and we wish for peace not further conflict amongst allies over land.

OCC: Moose we have each gained a trade center or two. Plus, the horde sacrificed hundreds of thousands of lives for Poland and Bavaria. Do not get upset with the current peace as further war to satisfy Poland will only weaken all our nations...

 

[Luckymoose]

To: Bavaria
From: Poland

We see this as only a way to further weaken us. We saved you from defeat and we demand it be justified.

 

[The Farow]

To: Bavaria
From: Poland

We see this as only a way to further weaken us. We saved you from defeat and we demand it be justified.

From Bavaria
To Poland

We respect your help and admit you have been a great assitance in the defeat of the Norse. However, we deserve as well as the Horde as much of a piece of the pie. The Horde is truely what saved us from defeat as alone we would have been overrun from the Norse armies. Is the deal we offered acceptable? Where do you want more land? In Germany? This will alienate our two nations eventually leading to conflict between our two nations. More land with less economic income will only be a hassle. The current peace is very acceptable. If you look at it we both gained important cities. In fact you gained two ports (economic centers) while we only gained one Hamburg.

 

[Luckymoose]

We just want the current borders. Not cropped. Not the treaty borders.

 

[Perfectionist]

FROM: The Norse Empire
TO: The Golden Horde and its puppets

We categorically reject your proposal. There are many outrages, but one of the worst is that you expect us to treat with the warlord Bernhard. We have made peace with the lawful ruler of Bavaria. Bernhard and his cabal have no authority and are the only thing standing in the way of peace in Germany. We will not rest until they have met justice for their treachery.

TO: Christian Europe

We appeal to the nations of Christian Europe, and particularly to Spain and Rome, the leaders of Christian Europe, to support us against the Horde and its puppets.

We would remind you of what may have been forgotten amidst the propaganda spewed by our adversaries. The Norse Empire has only acted in the interests of peace. Though we have fought wars, only once, against Lothringen, were we the aggressors, and we are now closely allied with Lothringen. In all our other wars, we have been defending ourselves or one of our allies. Sweden attacked us in a bid for total control of Scandinavia, Bavaria betrayed our alliance in an attempt to gain our German territories, Poland attacked us in an attempt to extort money in a peace and then refused our reasonable peace offer, and the Golden Horde attacked our Galician allies. We have only acted defensively.

Contrast this with the behaviour of the members of the Horde's coalition. Poland attacked us and Sweden for its selfish reasons, thinking us vulnerable, and when faced by the consequences of their miscalculation refused a reasonable peace and turned to the savage heathens of the Horde for aid. Bavaria attacked us, but at least showed more sense than Poland and made a decent peace. At least until Bernhard and his co-conspirators, resenting the peace signed by their lawful king, overthrew him and then also appealed to the Horde. That brings us to the Horde itself, whose conduct has at all times been reprehensible. They slaughtered the people of Tver for daring to stand against their demands for tribute. They invaded Galicia and wreaked great havoc there, for no reason but to demonstrate their power. And they invaded Sweden when they saw that it was weakened. They are a danger to all their neighbors and should be abhorrent to civilized men.

We ask if it is good for Europe that the Horde and its puppets take the land they want? Is it desirable that central Europe and the Baltic be in the hands of the usurpers, heathens, opportunists, warmongers and traitors to Christianity that comprise our opposition?

OOC: There, now I'm gone.

 

[Azale]

Oh come now...BT orders are more vague, and by the time the BT is done you'll want back in it.

Austria...odd as it may seem...stands by Byzantium on thier stance towards the Golden Horde.

 

[The Farow]

From Bavaria
To Norse Empire

Although, it is true we attacked you to gain German territories why did you attack Lothringen? Our country in fact was offered by the Norse Empire German held territories if we betrayed the Catholic League. In the end the Catholic League betrayed us. Our country appealed for help from our very allies to help defend the Catholic faith. Our pleas were answered with only silence. Bernhard is not a warlord and it is not just some co-conspirators who overthrew the king. You notice no one raised a finger to stop his imprisonment? You continue to spew lies as all of Bavaria was behind the war effort and the King went against what was best for his nation. Bavaria thrists for revenge against those who betrayed our kingdom and caused it to lose all that has gained. The Norse have continously expanded its kingdom and forced millions under their rule. This recent war is a result of years of Norse aggression which has seen France, Germany and Poland in shambles with little power left to raise against the Norse and you intended to keep it that way.

The Norse Empire has made itself enemies. Bavaria betrayed no one as we declared war on the Norse in honor of our alliance with the Catholics. We do regret having to cooperate with Muslim forces but the Norse in their embarrassing peace imposed on Bavaria we had no choice but too. Everyone in our alliance has a reason to attack the Norse. Our war is really a continued war for the Catholic League which left us abandoned. Bavaria is on good terms still with Spain, Austria and the Pope and we consider them all close friends and allies. They all blessed us helping our allies in France and all condemned their betrayal of us.

OCC: Moose you really only lost Berlin and I am guessing Berlin is a small city near a swamp so it is not that great. You keep all the important parts you gained so why are you complaining?

 

[Perfectionist]

FROM: The Norse Empire
TO: Christian Europe

We all have powerful and ambitious generals. If you condone Bernhard's actions now, you are setting a dangerous precedent. How long will the old monarchies last if any general who thinks he knows better than the king may stage a coup and be welcomed by the crowned heads of Europe?


TO: Bernhard

Your claims of popular support are ludicrous. The people do not chose their ruler, and do not know how that state should be governed. God choses the ruler and by overthrowing His anointed king you are defying God's will. If nobody opposed you it is only because you murdered all the men of good conscience who have might have stopped you. We have expanded, yes, but what about Bavaria? How many German states did you aggressively subjugate in the last decade, hmm? We have taken over territory, true, but only from those who have attacked us. You take territory from those too weak to resist you. Those were your gains, that you complain of being stripped of. Do not try to paint us as aggressors. We would further deeply condemn your attempts to paint your aggression against us as a defense of the Catholic faith. We are Catholic as well, you know. Or perhaps you don't, in which case we shall educate you. We are not heretics like the Irish. We follow Roman doctrine, and our bishops acknowledge the authority of the Pope. If the Emperor has some influence over the church, it is no more than that held by the Spanish Emperor whom you hold in such high esteem. There is one more statement that we would like to address. This one:

Bavaria betrayed no one as we declared war on the Norse in honor of our alliance with the Catholics.

We attacked Lothringen, of whom the Bavarian government earlier said:

We are not allies with Lothringen

Your claims are self-evidently absurd.


OOC: Found it. Das' description of Norse Christianity:

Don't forget to make it clear that the Norse Christianity isn't completely divided from the Catholics; its a national church, but more like Gallicanism than like Anglicanism, and not very different from usual Catholicism theologically

Judging from the cries of 'heretic' being thrown around, there was some confusion on the matter.

 

[shortguy]

From Bavaria
To Lothringen

Those are the terms and fail to do so will result in the destruction of Lothringen. You are not loosing any lands from before the war and the Norse cannot continue to hold onto Germany. Poland, Bavaria, and the Golden Horde are united in their cause and will not rest until the Norse are driven from Eastern Europe and Germany.

If you have better terms to purpose but no matter what Germany will be freed from Norse Rule.

To Bavaria
From Lothringen

We are not particularly concerned the territory across the Rhine that we currently hold; it was to be ceded back to Bavaria when your political situation worked itself out. The treaty is unacceptable for numerous other reasons, to wit:

1) Why does the Horde presume to be in such a dominating position that it can dictate terms such as these? We would remind the new Khan that, at the climactic battle of the last campaign, his forces were defeated, and his own Mongol troops were annihilated completely. And yet he negotiates as if he were at the very gates of Jorvik herself!

2) Why does the Khan presume to divvy up Germany as if it were her own? Germany is a Christian land, and her politics will not be dictated by Pagan scum.

3) Why does the Khan wish to impose limits on the Norse armed forces? Does he fancy himself suzerain over the whole of Northern Europe, that he can dictate such things? This sort of thing is not his to determine.

I appreciate that you don't like the Norse. But is it worth bowing to Heathen scum to spite them?

 

[Insane_Panda]

Again, either the Horde withdraw itself from Galicia, or the Roman Empire will be forced to intervene on behalf of the Norse and Lothringen states against the eastern menace. If the Horde chooses to withdraw from Galicia, the Roman Empire will not involve itself in the wider wars of the Horde.

 

[The Farow]

From Bavaria
To Horde

We urge you to accept the Byzantine purposal.

 

[silver 2039]

Again, either the Horde withdraw itself from Galicia, or the Roman Empire will be forced to intervene on behalf of the Norse and Lothringen states against the eastern menace. If the Horde chooses to withdraw from Galicia, the Roman Empire will not involve itself in the wider wars of the Horde.

TO Byzantine Empire
From Khanate of the Golden Horde

This is none of your concern...but if you care the Golden Horde has no further intreast in Galacia the, Galacians have been taught the lesson that my father set out to do and our goals are achieved. May the Galacians learn to be wiser in the future and refrain from provoking war with the Horde. We shall withdraw.

 

[Insane_Panda]

Roman Empire, thank you very much. AND, it is our concern. Galicia is our ally, and fellow Orthodox nation, if you did not notice

TO: The Khanate of the Golden Horde
FROM: Her Imperial Highness, Tryphaina I Comnenus, Bassilisa of the Roman Empire, Queen of Hungary

We admire your pragmaticism and jurisprudence.

TO: His Imperial Majety, Vasili II, Tsar of Galicia
FROM: Her Imperial Highness, Tryphaina I Comnenus, Bassilisa of the Roman Empire, Queen of Hungary

Galicia shall stand tall oncemore, we pledge to you our continued commitment at ensuring that our brothers of the faith remain strong.

 

[JosefStalinator]

Was thinking of retaking the Galicians... since I haven't sent orders since turn 2


Or apparently turn 4; It's just been that long since he updated.

 

[Insane_Panda]

Orders sent. Ph34r meh.

 

[Icmancin]

Ireland is free no more! (In the sense that it is an NPC anyways)

 

[Thlayli]

Great to have you back, Icmancin. Ireland looks promising.

All changes to the update will be finished tonight, probably lateish.

If you want to join as an NPC, join now, and send BT orders! By the way, stats are NOT needed for BT orders.

 

[The Farow]

BT orders to come tomorrow afternoon. I have no time tonight.

 

[JosefStalinator]

Thlayli, I have BT orders, but your PM box is full! Clean it!