Mowque
Hypermodernist
Wrong. And that is why we won't agree.
to the people who oppose the death penalty
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Wrong. And that is why we won't agree.
why is it wrong?
Mowque
Hypermodernist
Because I don't think ANYONE deserves to die. Simple as that.
Slaughter
Paladin
Hossam is right, some people deserve to die. Why? Because they're unstable, dangerous, a danger to all human beings. Look at Serial Killers, rapists and other crazies. They wreck and destroy other people's lives. Its not about punishment, its about deterrance. You can't rape someone if you're rotting six feet under.
carmen510
Deity
Says the guy who's named Slaughter.
BARBEERIAN
Prince
True, but it sure as hell shouldn't be. It's without a doubt my biggest beef with our society that criminals have more rights than their victims, and have countless tries at whining their 'woe is me' crap to the legal system no matter how guilty they are. Now let me be clear though, I think it has to be a situation where the person is clearly guilty as sin with proper proof, not just circumstantial evidence. I don't want innocent people getting killed accidentaly. However, in a case like Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka (here in Canada) they should've been hanged. Those dumbasses videotaped themselves raping and killing girls, and I really wish we still had the death penalty here just for wastes of space like them.
scherbchen
well that can´t be good
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ooh! ooh! I spot a flaw! may I?
*jumps up and down*
pleeeease? pick me!
ok I will just say it.... deterrance. hmm. and you are right, you can't rape somebody if you are dead and gone. but can you rape somebody before you are sentenced and killed? I believe you can. so you are advocating capital punishment because the sentence for that punishment will prohibit you from comitting the crime? tee-hee.
GONdorman
ROCK´N ROLL PEOPLE!!!!
You´re partly right. Courts, judgements and all MAY fail. However, I personally consider the very same concept death penalty the most anti-democratic thing ever.
I´d rather have criminals rotting in a jail, instead of killing them
carmen510
Deity
You are aware of the difference between democracy and morality, correct?
BARBEERIAN
Prince
I think there needs to be concrete factual evidence in a case to warrant the death penalty, to make sure you don't execute innocent people.
That is a Platonic ideal. There is no such thing in any practical government system where human beings are involved. You wanna execute Hitler or some other heinous public figure I won't get my knickers in a twist. If you try to codify it for a countries criminal justice system you will kill innocent peoplle. simple as that.
scherbchen
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and seeing as humans are just... human and therefore prone to err you will never have your evidence 100% failsafe. which is why many of us have a problem with the death penalty.
ta-daaa!
Mowque
Hypermodernist
Well, just to show I'm different, I don't believe in the death penalty even if you could magically be 100% sure.
scherbchen
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and I'd agree to that.
Ethan Moreau
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I don't oppose the death penalty as it is.
Slaughter
Paladin
Yes, this is true. If there's undeniable proof that he's guilty, then death penalty is valid.
I can't see any flaw. If you rape or murder people, the governament shoots you in the head or ships you off to scientists who need human test subjects for dangerous experiments.* There's, that it. If you think jailing a rapist or a serial killer for eternity is a good idea, you are wrong. If they escape, someone can die. And being dead, the money used to sustain their useless waste of a body in a cell can be used for something else.
*Hey, at least this means that rapists can be useful in some way
No one should be executed, for anything. Even if they kill 100 women and children, after raping all of them. It is completely unethical and immoral to kill, and so it is ridiculous to do so to make a point against it.
And no one deserves to die. Life is not something deserved, and therefore it cannot be something that you don't deserve. When people have a disregard for life, they should be locked up for a long time, and there should always be some attempt at rehabilitation. If you kill someone for their crimes, they cannot be rehabilitated.
I find it very ironic that people say some criminals should lose their lives due to their lack of regard for the lives of others. It is this lack of regard for life that allows for the death penalty to be in place. If you support the death penalty, it indicates that you have a lack of regard for life, just as whoever you are executed probably does.
And need I mention the small level of uncertainty involved in any criminal case?
And no one deserves to die. Life is not something deserved, and therefore it cannot be something that you don't deserve. When people have a disregard for life, they should be locked up for a long time, and there should always be some attempt at rehabilitation. If you kill someone for their crimes, they cannot be rehabilitated.
I find it very ironic that people say some criminals should lose their lives due to their lack of regard for the lives of others. It is this lack of regard for life that allows for the death penalty to be in place. If you support the death penalty, it indicates that you have a lack of regard for life, just as whoever you are executed probably does.
And need I mention the small level of uncertainty involved in any criminal case?
That was my first thought as well.
