To the "X should own it all" voters

[Bozo Erectus]

France is at most %70 French.

 

[Norlamand]

But at least 95% annoying

 

[Colonel Kraken]

Originally posted by Norlamand
I have a feeling that most Israeli's would have little objection to sharing their land with decent Arabs . . . There are a fair number of Arabs with full Israeli citizenship living (and some holding office) in Israel. They, by the way, tend to be far more prosperous than their cousins dancing in the streets of Gaza. They live peacefully with their Jewish neighbors despite the fact that they may feel that Palestinians deserve a state of their own. If the rest of the rabble could try this approach they might get a peaceful solution and a state of their own.

Originally posted by SeleucusNicator
One million people of Arab descent and Muslim religion live as full Israeli citizens. They recieve benefits, they vote in elections, they can even serve in the military. In many cases, they have become members of the professional establishment; the stories of an Arab doctor saving the life of an Israeli victim of Palestinian suicide-bombing are many.

I really think these are the ones of which I spoke. There are others, but certainly, Norlamand, your point of being unable to distinguish between Palestinians with different points of view are valid.

 

[nivi]

Originally posted by SeleucusNicator

Israel need not, and should not, be a 100% Jewish state, much like France is not 100% french.

You are right, but if only 1% arabic, they will in time outnumber us, jews.
In 20 years we are less then 50% in pop, too bad our idiot,stupid,corupt prime minister can't see it this way (and most israel).

 

[Little Raven]

Ethnic cleansing is and should be an anethema to the world. Neither side can be permitted to engage in it. Those who would cast out all Palestinians are just as bad as those who would cast out all the Jews. Both people have ties to the land. Neither one is going anywhere.

However unjust the formation of Israel may have been, it is there. It cannot be removed, nor is this option in the best interests of the region.

However atrocious the actions of some Palestinians, there are innocents being born there ever minute. The many should not be made to suffer for the actions of the few. And the Palestinians deserve self-determination. History shows us that they will not stop fighting until they get it.

So...we are left with two options. Either a two-state solution, or a one-state solution. Right now, most people are backing option 1, but it will require that both sides overcome their more radical elements, something neither side has shown any inclination of doing. We can always hope that will change, and it might, as both sides are dragged deeper into poverty and dispair, but it might not, if both sides remain content to blame each other for all their woes. If it doesn't change, then a one-state solution is all that's left. And at that point, Israel will have to decide once and for all what type of nation it ultimately wants to be.

edut: Apologies for minor thread derailment.

 

[HannibalBarka]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
From the shores of Casablanca to the streets of Karachi, from the monuments of Istanbul to the port of Aden, I believe there is enough room for the Arabs to survive without a few more square miles of land in Israel.

First, it's time for you to open your high school's history and geography book. You'll see that neither Karach nor Istanbul are in the arab world.
Second, the US is bigger than the Arab world, give the Israeli Florida or R Island, enough room wil still remain for the American to survive.

 

[HannibalBarka]

Originally posted by SeleucusNicator
One million people of Arab descent and Muslim religion live as full Israeli citizens. They recieve benefits, they vote in elections, they can even serve in the military. In many cases, they have become members of the professional establishment; the stories of an Arab doctor saving the life of an Israeli victim of Palestinian suicide-bombing are many.
Israel need not, and should not, be a 100% Jewish state, much like France is not 100% french.

We are actually talking about the other Palestinian, the one living in Gaza, the WB. If you think that Israel should own all the land, how should it deal with these palestinian ? expell them ? keeping them as a second class citizen ? or give them a full citizenship ?

 

[ZultanofZex]

From the shores of Casablanca to the streets of Karachi, from the monuments of Istanbul to the port of Aden, I believe there is enough room for the Arabs to survive without a few more square miles of land in Israel.

This is a very funny post! As already stated, what the hell has Istanbul to do with Arabs???? Religion? dark skin? People looking like this always being the bad guys in Hollywood movies?


Grow up before the next post

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by nivi


You are right, but if only 1% arabic, they will in time outnumber us, jews.
In 20 years we are less then 50% in pop, too bad our idiot,stupid,corupt prime minister can't see it this way (and most israel).

Hardly true. The jewish population is getting a bit smaller, but the arab one isn't getting larger (in terms of precentages). Also, look at the statistics of the last 50 years - The jewish population had somewhat declined, but there will still be many years before we'll loose the majority and by then a lot can (and will) happen. Europe will meet that challenge long before we will.

 

[Perfection]

CFC should, then we could kick everyone out and start our own paradise

 

[HannibalBarka]

Originally posted by Little Raven
Ethnic cleansing is and should be an anethema to the world. Neither side can be permitted to engage in it. Those who would cast out all Palestinians are just as bad as those who would cast out all the Jews. Both people have ties to the land. Neither one is going anywhere.

Exactly, and no one among the "x should own it all" voters is giving an argument other then "if ethnic cleansing is necessary, so be it". I don't see how these people can then blame Hamas or other terrorist organization, since they are advocating the same thing ?

 

[lceman]

I think each side should try to kill each other until one side is made extinct. Whoever wins gets all of the land?

Wait! So you say Israel is sure to win? Well then I guess the more humane solution is to remove the Palestinians to defensible borders, eh?

Pick one, bad or worse...oh and uh there is a time limit on these negotiations...

 

[Little Raven]

Originally posted by lceman
Pick one, bad or worse...oh and uh there is a time limit on these negotiations...

Why is there a time limit? Sometimes, these situations take a few centuries to iron out. Hopefully, we can find a way out of this one sooner, but it's not like either side is planning on leaving anytime soon. Conflicts like this can and do go on for generations. I don't think we have to worry time expiring in the near future...

 

[Kev1916]

Originally posted by HannibalBarka


We are actually talking about the other Palestinian, the one living in Gaza, the WB. If you think that Israel should own all the land, how should it deal with these palestinian ? expell them ? keeping them as a second class citizen ? or give them a full citizenship ?

Palestinian should be for the Palestinians and Israel a seperate country.

The split of who gets what is the key question, but certainly Israel should be made to pay for whatever land they forcefully took

 

[Hookah]

I say kick out both the isrealis and palestinians and settle the american religious fundamentalists in isreal

 

[Krayzeenbk]

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
The Arabs can dwell in Jordan. If necessary, they can be forcibly moved there and the border sealed.

The Palestinians and the Israelis can dwell in hell.

Self-restraint makes a human from an animal. Apparently a lot of "people" lack it.


Disclaimer: the above applies only to some elements of the respective Israeli and Palestinian societies blah blah blah etc.... Basically, don't get mad if it doesn't apply to you.

 

[Smaasnekje]

blow the entire region away!


Ofcorce I don't mean that, but it had to be said..

 

[Archer 007]

Originally posted by Jorge


Yes, let's make pay the whole population for the actions of a few. That's the right thing to do for sure.

Well, what else would they do?

 

[WillJ]

My awfully uneducated opinion on the matter:

The land rightfully belongs to the Arabs; we gave it to the Jews mostly out of sympathy with them due to WWII. I say instead of taking land from the Arabs, we take land from the Germans. Sure, it won't be a holy land, much less the "promised land," but it's a Jewish state nonetheless. If that's not good enough for them, don't let them have a land at all.

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

The only answer I see is to kick all of the Jews out of the West Bank and Gaza, and move all the palestinians to those areas. Then the painful reconstruction process can begin.