Gori the Grey
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I think someone may be blowing smoke up your a** with that one.
I think someone may be blowing smoke up your a** with that one.
And that comic page is why I never get around to writing anything vaguely historical!
Well, it is a nice comment, but not an "explanation" (it's a reference to an effect)
From Constitutional Politics in Canada After the Charter: Liberalism, Communitarianism, and Systemism (2010) by Patrick James:Wikipedia said:the [U.S. Civil War] also had an important effect on discussions concerning the nature of the emerging federation [of Canada]. Many Fathers of [Canadian] Confederation concluded that the [U.S.] secessionist war was caused by too much power being given to the states, and thus resolved to create a more centralized federation.[23] It was also believed that too much democracy was a contributing factor and the Canadian system was thus equipped with checks and balances such as the appointed Senate and powers of the British appointed Governor General. The guiding principles of the legislation which created Canada – the British North America Act – were peace, order, and good government. This was a collectivist antithesis to American individualism that became central to Canadian identity.[24]
I suppose it must have appeared in 1862 as if the "American experiment" hadn't even lasted 100 years before it went up in flames, and the American system may have appeared to be a cautionary tale rather than any sort of guide for post-Colonial nations. We may be back there again, 150 years later. I think I remember hearing recently that a number of Central and South American nations tried systems of government modeled on ours, and that basically all of them combusted. If Canada saw the US Civil War as reason to do it a little differently, that may have served them well.Patrick James said:Confederation was also an attempt to repel an invasion of ideas - in particular, uninhibited popular sovereignty. The phrase "peace, order, and good government of Canada" from Section 91 of the Constitution Act, 1867, sums up that mindset quite effectively. A definition of self in opposition to American values, along with a Tory-influenced collectivism, came into being. As Charlotte Gray observes, 'individualism has never been celebrated in Canada' and accolades are reserved for 'collective virtues' such as peacekeeping, compassion for disaster victims, and the like.
Nowadays we rarely have all three at the same time (peace, order, and good government). But the articles are essentially true. We're generally flabbergasted by the flag worship that goes on in the U.S., and tend to reserve our patriotism for Canada Day, Remembrance Day, and sporting events like the Olympics and the hockey playoffs.TIL there were many thousands of Canadians who enlisted in the Union Army during the US Civil War of 1861-65. Calixa Lavallée, who wrote Canada's national anthem, was among them. Edward Doherty, who led the group of soldiers who tracked down John Wilkes Booth after Booth killed Abraham Lincoln, was another. Wikipedia says "at least" 29 Canadians were awarded the U.S. Medal of Honor. Where the English were split over whether to support the Confederacy against the United States, Canadians were overwhelming opposed to slavery (Canada had been one destination of people following the Underground Railroad).
Watching the US Civil War from inches away may have also influenced the politics and character of Canada and Canadians.
From Constitutional Politics in Canada After the Charter: Liberalism, Communitarianism, and Systemism (2010) by Patrick James:
I suppose it must have appeared in 1862 as if the "American experiment" hadn't even lasted 100 years before it went up in flames, and the American system may have appeared to be a cautionary tale rather than any sort of guide for post-Colonial nations. We may be back there again, 150 years later. I think I remember hearing recently that a number of Central and South American nations tried systems of government modeled on ours, and that basically all of them combusted. If Canada saw the US Civil War as reason to do it a little differently, that may have served them well.
^^^ Nice video. I was wondering though, what he injected? removed? from the shell on most of the days.