Toughen up losers

[Timsup2nothin]

Oh Tim, didn't we already go over this. Your threats of violence are a joke. Both online and offline, but especially online. Besides, unlike you, I don't need to fight to prove I'm right

What threat are you talking about? I just pointed out that the strategy you use wouldn't work in real life, and why. You are certainly welcome to find an appropriate venue nearby and test it.

Now, other than repeating yourself, how exactly do you think that you "prove" you are right? Please point out where you have convinced anyone of anything, ever.

 

[HoloDoc]

Oh Tim, didn't we already go over this. Your threats of violence are a joke. Both online and offline, but especially online. Besides, unlike you, I don't need to fight to prove I'm right


Mainstream media kinda tanked their own credibility with their own lies. I guess I could give you examples from the Finnish media, but I'm guessing that's obscure enough for you that it's not worth getting into

So yo readily admit to being too much of a coward to actually fight for your beliefs then...

Besides which, he didn't actually threaten you with violence.

The mainstream media is so much more credible than groups like Breitbart that it's not funny. The biggest issue with media credibility in my lifetime was the overwhelming support for the Iraq War, which resulted from most of the media making the mistake of trusting the Bush Administration. In Australia, other issues were caused by the right wing Murdoch Press. The solution to right wing obfuscations is not; move further right.

 

[stinkubus]

Just show it to be a lie, and Shapiro is done. Boom. Not that difficult

Most of Shapiro's audience wants to be lied to. It's not that simple.

 

[Hehehe]

You have literally been caught telling racist lies in threads here in CFC just today, and when called on them you continued to make them. So you herby disproved your own bullcrap.

It seems like you're the one making stuff up now

Now, other than repeating yourself, how exactly do you think that you "prove" you are right? Please point out where you have convinced anyone of anything, ever.

I believe that the evidence I cited is enough. If you don't think so, we can agree to disagree

So yo readily admit to being too much of a coward to actually fight for your beliefs then...

I can fight if it comes to that, but I don't need to hurt people to get my point across

Most of Shapiro's audience wants to be lied to. It's not that simple.

Yeah, I'm sure he'd say the same thing about you. This is why debates are, in my opinion, a good way to hash these differences out

 

[Timsup2nothin]

It seems like you're the one making stuff up now

I believe that the evidence I cited is enough. If you don't think so, we can agree to disagree


I can fight if it comes to that, but I don't need to hurt people to get my point across


Yeah, I'm sure he'd say the same thing about you. This is why debates are, in my opinion, a good way to hash these differences out

Where have you "cited evidence"?

Holodoc cited evidence...he called you out on something that pretty much every regular poster is well aware you did in fact do, and your response is to lie. Guaranteed he could link the posts he referred to, but why bother? History indicates that you will just repeat the lie to "push him harder."

My evidence is that you are doing, right here in this thread, exactly what I described as your usual behavior. That's my evidence. Where's yours?

 

[HoloDoc]

It seems like you're the one making stuff up now

I believe that the evidence I cited is enough. If you don't think so, we can agree to disagree


I can fight if it comes to that, but I don't need to hurt people to get my point across


Yeah, I'm sure he'd say the same thing about you. This is why debates are, in my opinion, a good way to hash these differences out

Yeah, you got me. It was Tuesday. I work odd hours.

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/racism.638301/page-3#post-15265195

And you clearly can't cite any evidence against what Tim said, or you would. Instead you just go; "um, there's like, totes evidence guys. I have a boyfriend, he lives in Canada, you wouldn't know him."

 

[Hehehe]

Where have you "cited evidence"?

Holodoc cited evidence...he called you out on something that pretty much every regular poster is well aware you did in fact do, and your response is to lie. Guaranteed he could link the posts he referred to, but why bother? History indicates that you will just repeat the lie to "push him harder."

My evidence is that you are doing, right here in this thread, exactly what I described as your usual behavior. That's my evidence. Where's yours?

Yeah, you got me. It was Tuesday. I work odd hours.

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/racism.638301/page-3#post-15265195

And you clearly can't cite any evidence against what Tim said, or you would.

I'm afraid that we cannot revisit that discussion here, and I don't think we need to. If you guys really think that I got blown out of the water, then doesn't that just prove the point that in an open debate, truth will prevail?

Instead you just go; "um, there's like, totes evidence guys. I have a boyfriend, he lives in Canada, you wouldn't know him."

Don't bring my beloved Canadian boyfriend into this

 

[Estebonrober]

This is why debates are, in my opinion, a good way to hash these differences out

Your ideas as I have seen them are horrible, misguided, supported by little in the way of actual fact (other then cherry picking studies, think climate change denial tactics), lacks all human decency and compassion. Your lack of empathy for the human race that doesn't think or look like you is just depressing.

If a whole group (ie the majority of western world) thinks your ideas are horribly racist, then maybe its you who are wrong.

 

[Hehehe]

Your ideas as I have seen them are horrible, misguided, supported by little in the way of actual fact (other then cherry picking studies, think climate change denial tactics), lacks all human decency and compassion. Your lack of empathy for the human race that doesn't think or look like you is just depressing.

If a whole group (ie the majority of western world) thinks your ideas are horribly racist, then maybe its you who are wrong.

Then surely, I take it that you're in favor of open debate. After all, I'm sure to get blown out of the water in any open debate?

 

[Estebonrober]

If you guys really think that I got blown out of the water, then doesn't that just prove the point that in an open debate, truth will prevail?

The point is that truly horrible ideas that lack all humanity do not deserve the light of day.

 

[Hehehe]

The point is that truly horrible ideas that lack all humanity do not deserve the light of day.

Why not? You're not afraid that not everyone is going to agree with you, are you? Look, I know it's cliche, but I'd summarize my stance on deplatforming with the quote "When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say." I'm confident in my ability to defend my views, are you confident in yours?

 

[HoloDoc]

Then surely, I take it that you're in favor of open debate. After all, I'm sure to get blown out of the water in any open debate?

Yet even after you've been proven wrong, repeatedly "blown out of the water," you still don't shut up with your racist filth. And if we don't repeatedly call you out on it, impressionable young minds may still be across it, see that no one is disputing it, assume it's because we can't - rather than because racist filth isn't worth engaging with - and fall down the Stormfront rabbit hole you crawled out of.

You don't deserve an open debate. You deserve to be denied the ability to spread your filth, and I do not understand why an openly racist individual like yourself is permitted to post here at all. Once you spout that race realism nonsense, you should simply be banned. I can understand giving you a second chance - although I wouldn't - but not a third.

 

[Hehehe]

Yet even after you've been proven wrong, repeatedly "blown out of the water," you still don't shut up with your racist filth. And if we don't repeatedly call you out on it, impressionable young minds may still be across it, see that no one is disputing it, assume it's because we can't - rather than because racist filth isn't worth engaging with - and fall down the Stormfront rabbit hole you crawled out of.

You don't deserve an open debate. You deserve to be denied the ability to spread your filth, and I do not understand why an openly racist individual like yourself is permitted to post here at all. Once you spout that race realism nonsense, you should simply be banned. I can understand giving you a second chance - although I wouldn't - but not a third.

I see. You're afraid that people might see things my way. Look, I've always thought that views like yours could only survive in an echo chamber where they cannot be challenged

 

[HoloDoc]

Why not? You're not afraid that not everyone is going to agree with you, are you? Look, I know it's cliche, but I'd summarize my stance on deplatforming with the quote "When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say." I'm confident in my ability to defend my views, are you confident in yours?

You're not bravely defending your views, you're obstinately continuing to spout them after they've been disproven. The comparison to climate denial was an apt one: you have been presented with mountains of evidence that you're wrong, and you either don't provide any contradictory evidence, or cherry-pick sources that are either biased or don't support you at all , yet continue to spout the same discredited bullcrap.

It's like Trump's latest claim that people are wearing disguises to vote multiple times. There is zero evidence of this, it's been proven false by numerous people after just a single day, but he won't back down and admit he's wrong. Instead, he'll double down on it and refuse to engage. That's exactly what you're doing, you're just not as good at it and don't have his sort of audience.

So piss off and rip out your tongue, because we're tired of constantly proving you wrong in every goddamn thread you spout your racist, offensive, discredited bullcrap. We all know you're a liar; we've proven it already.

 

[Hehehe]

You're not bravely defending your views, you're obstinately continuing to spout them after they've been disproven. The comparison to climate denial was an apt one: you have been presented with mountains of evidence that you're wrong, and you either don't provide any contradictory evidence, or cherry-pick sources that are either biased or don't support you at all , yet continue to spout the same discredited bullcrap.

It's like Trump's latest claim that people are wearing disguises to vote multiple times. There is zero evidence of this, it's been proven false by numerous people after just a single day, but he won't back down and admit he's wrong. Instead, he'll double down on it and refuse to engage. That's exactly what you're doing, you're just not as good at it and don't have his sort of audience.

So piss off and rip out your tongue, because we're tired of constantly proving you wrong in every goddamn thread you spout your racist, offensive, discredited bullcrap. We all know you're a liar; we've proven it already.

Proven wrong? I already addressed the points made by Estebonrober. Was there anything left unaddressed? Let me just go address it... No wait... The thread seems to be closed

 

[HoloDoc]

I see. You're afraid that people might see things my way. Look, I've always thought that views like yours could only survive in an echo chamber where they cannot be challenged

I'm afraid that people like you will lead to a new Hitler Youth. Yes. I find people like you terrifying. Not because you're right; because you're loud, because you lack decency, you lack the moral fibre to debate fairly and to acknowledge when you're wrong.

People who think like you are cowards and bullies, but because you lack decency and are too stupid to know when you're not wanted or welcome, you hang around and repeatedly spout the same horsecrap until everyone gets sick of refuting it. Then a thirteen year old comes along, reads it, and doesn't know any better. That is what I am afraid of, and that is why pieces of filth who believe as you do shouldn't be granted a platform to spread your views. You should go back to your echo chamber; to Breitbart, Stormfront, *****, and the other pathetic corners of the Internet, where you can lurk in the shadows and be as racist and misogynistic as you like with your fellow pond-scum.

My echo chamber is a free press, one which is regulated to prevent monopolies and which presents debates fairly, in unbiased and principled manners. Something that people like you can never allow, because shining a light in who you really are would cripple you. And a big scary black man might just punch you in your Nazi face.

 

[Hehehe]

I'm afraid that people like you will lead to a new Hitler Youth. Yes. I find people like you terrifying. Not because you're right; because you're loud, because you lack decency, you lack the moral fibre to debate fairly and to acknowledge when you're wrong.

Well, that's an unfounded ad-hominem if I've ever seen one. I've stated this every time these unfounded accusations are bandied about: I disavow Nazism. Both the second world war and the Holocaust were horrible tragedies. No-one wants to see that again. Never again.

People who think like you are cowards and bullies, but because you lack decency and are too stupid to know when you're not wanted or welcome, you hang around and repeatedly spout the same horsecrap until everyone gets sick of refuting it. Then a thirteen year old comes along, reads it, and doesn't know any better. That is what I am afraid of, and that is why pieces of filth who believe as you do shouldn't be granted a platform to spread your views. You should go back to your echo chamber; to Breitbart, Stormfront, *****, and the other pathetic corners of the Internet, where you can lurk in the shadows and be as racist and misogynistic as you like with your fellow pond-scum.

Cowards and bullies? You're the one calling me names here. As for the echochamber stuff, the reason I like to visit all kinds of different forums is precisely so that I do not become narrow in my views.

My echo chamber is a free press, one which is regulated to prevent monopolies and which presents debates fairly, in unbiased and principled manners. Something that people like you can never allow, because shining a light in who you really are would cripple you. And a big scary black man might just punch you in your Nazi face.

I've never once argued against freedom of the press. Unlike people like you, I've always been on the side of free speech.

 

[HoloDoc]

Proven wrong? I already addressed the points made by Estebonrober. Was there anything left unaddressed? Let me just go address it... No wait... The thread seems to be closed

Yeah, it was closed because of you. Because people like you don't want a free debate, because you know you'll lose it. You want to shut it down, and racist trolling is a good way to keep honest and forthright discussions of legitimate topics from happening is the one weapon that cowards have left. Your views are not the majority, they are not acceptable, and they are not defensible, but if you whine loud enough you hope to drown out everyone else.

We're not stupid; we know exactly what you're doing, and we don't accept it. @Timsup2nothin and @JollyRoger started threads recently in Site Feedback to denounce people like you and call for changes in moderation to deal with such cretins, and I'm appalled by the lack of moderator response to those discussions. Here you are actively bragging about shutting down discussions, and yet you are still allowed to post. You should be banished back into the pathetic troglodytic hole you crawled out of, so you and your racist friends can invent stories about George Soros and touch yourself while reading Trump tweets.

Incidentally, you didn't address @Estebonrober's points, you were caught out actively promoting eugenics and racism, and the thread was closed. So we can add another lie to your list. It's longer than this post.

 

[HoloDoc]

Well, that's an unfounded ad-hominem if I've ever seen one. I've stated this every time these unfounded accusations are bandied about: I disavow Nazism. Both the second world war and the Holocaust were horrible tragedies. No-one wants to see that again. Never again.

Cowards and bullies? You're the one calling me names here. As for the echochamber stuff, the reason I like to visit all kinds of different forums is precisely so that I do not become narrow in my views.

I've never once argued against freedom of the press. Unlike people like you, I've always been on the side of free speech.

"Free speech" does not give you the right to spout racist views. Yin can be as racist as you like; in the privacy of your own home. Such views are not welcome here. And neither are people who spout them. The right claiming to want "free speech" is just code for "I can say whatever racist/sexist/homophobic filth I want, and you can't stop me.

You actively called for selective breeding to fix IQ deficiencies amongst ethnic minorities. That is literally a call for ethnic cleansing via eugenics. Maybe I should compare you to Milosevic rather than Hitler, if we're being pedantic.

And we all know the reason you like to visit different forums is to spread your vile views far and wide. You're not interested in discussion; you're interested in propaganda. Go back to Breitbart.

 

[Hehehe]

Yeah, it was closed because of you. Because people like you don't want a free debate, because you know you'll lose it. You want to shut it down, and racist trolling is a good way to keep honest and forthright discussions of legitimate topics from happening is the one weapon that cowards have left. Your views are not the majority, they are not acceptable, and they are not defensible, but if you whine loud enough you hope to drown out everyone else.

Well, I guess this back and forth yuh-huh nuh-huh debate isn't going anywhere. I guess my closing thoughts would be these: I think that if you really could debunk me, you'd have no trouble having those discussions.

We're not stupid; we know exactly what you're doing, and we don't accept it. @Timsup2nothin and @JollyRoger started threads recently in Site Feedback to denounce people like you and call for changes in moderation to deal with such cretins, and I'm appalled by the lack of moderator response to those discussions. Here you are actively bragging about shutting down discussions, and yet you are still allowed to post. You should be banished back into the pathetic troglodytic hole you crawled out of, so you and your racist friends can invent stories about George Soros and touch yourself while reading Trump tweets.

I never once wanted any of those discussions closed, and I definitely never bragged about it.