TR02 - Losers move up to Emporer

@eldar... YOu should have said "No" to Cleo..
When we made peace with her she paid us 5gpt as a part of a peace deal and in such a case AIs always come and asking to renew the deal.
If our troops are not INSIDE her borders it doesn't hurt reputation at all.
But what's done done.
Let's start war against somebody else we don't have deals with.
China? Babylon? I hate having to pay upkeep for the army that isn't doing anything.

So we go domination win right?
Next player! Stop research after getting MT and just rush cavs and start total war.
 
@eldar - I don't know why the F4 screen showed 5 turns left. I made peace with Egypt at the start of my turns, so the renewal was right on schedule. As dman said, you could have rejected the peace, which would have renewed the war without a rep hit.

On victory condition: Domination is fine with me. I'm more of a builder type, so improving my warmongering skills is what I'm most interested in.
 
Babs are paying us gpt at the moment. No rush to go to total war. Give it 10 turns so we can set up.

If we do this, we get the 5th lux. It can be done in 10 turns especially if we turn off research after MT.
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Cleo can wait. Horses won't do us much good agianst the pikes Brennus has horded. This prevents Mao and Cleo from wandering around our territory next to unoocupied cities like they'r doing now.
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Finally here's the plan for the Celtic Invasion.
Assemble at least 15 Cavalry and whatever knights we can gather

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Bringing in Hammi and Abu gives them somewhere to spend their respective ancient cav and crusaders before we fight them. Brennus is gonna go up like puff of smoke so chances are he'll try to cut deals with Abu and Hammi way before the 20 alliance is up. In the interim, they're off our back.

Domination is the path to early victory. Just want to do a little set up first.
 
D'oh... I just realised what was going on with Cleo. I checked F4, saw '5 something something', remembered posts about '5 turns this, 5 turns that', and automatically saw '5 turns remaining' when it was probably 5gpt! Talk about the mind seeing what it wants to... :blush:
 
Should we perhaps kick chinese butts???
they don't have chivalry and their iron town is the first town we are going to grab.
Why wait with all that army on egypt border for another 10 turns if we can get some china land immediately...
thougths??
I will play tomorrow night, so we have lots of time to discuss..
Any objection if i completely shutdown research upon researching MT?
there are still lots of tiles un-improved in our core, i will try to take care about that as much as i can.
I will keep pumping settlers from Veii.. Most of the celts towns wewill have to raze and replace. We don't have much culture accumulated against them.

again, will play tomorrow night.
 
I'm reading through the posts now. My family was up this past weekend and I didn't get a chance to check the forums. I'm at home today because I'm a weenie and can't drive in the snow.

Here are my thoughts so far....
Domination/ Conquest Victory is fine with me.
stop research after MT
more later.....
 
If you think we can hit the Chinese, take their iron city, push forward to get a few towns for peace...without significantly delaying the Celtic war, then sure, go for it. :hammer: It would be nice...we weaken the Chinese, then we delete the Celts, then we turn and quickly clear our backs of the Chinese, Egyptians, and Russians. Won game.

Also I agree with stopping research at MT. Let's just go for domination.
 
good.... i am glad i have few of you agreed with me, because i played already...
The only problem i was intoxicated by alcohol yesterday late night and haven't left much of a report..
i remember i tried to save each turn so i can return and restore report log...
You guys will have to wait, but tell you right now... I have some good, really good news...
 
I'm just going along for the ride now. Like dman said earlier. This game is won. Now it's just when and how.

The Chinese are in mountainous terrian. Horses would be useless... but if they are just sitting around it wouldn't hurt to go knocking on Mao's door.

I like the Celtic invasion plan. We really need the Babs & Arabia on our side so Brennus doesn't recruit them. Also How crippled is Cathy now. I haven't looked at a save in 4 days and am not sure if a Celt-Russian alliance needs to be watched out for...


Hadn't seen one of these in a while so...
Roster:
Admiral Kutzov
eldar - up
dman - just played
Mach - On deck
Tubby Rower
Minute Man
 
Um, TR, surely it's Mach 'up', yerself 'on deck'. I played the set before dman :)
 
dman said:
I have some good, really good news...
You didn't win the game on us did you???
 
Tubby Rower said:
You didn't win the game on us did you???

Nah, that would be bad news... how could i deprive you guys from having some fun with cavalry ;)
 
Maybe he lost half our army, and our rivals entered the industrial age...and the good news is the game is exciting and we're gonna have to try for space. :lol:
 
pre-turn: Well... we have lots of horses we will need lots of money to upgrade them all...
As i mentioned before i was toying with idea to attack china since they are probably only one who we don't have deals going on with. Plus it shows they have incense we can capture for our own use.. Plus, warmongers can't have so many turns of peace time... we just need to spill some blood..
So i am mooving all our horses and knights but one from egyptian border towards souther city of Lutetia where they can be safely upgraded. Unfortunately we know little about Chinese land and we can't trade maps.
Oh, well we will learn about their land some other way :devil: i suppose.
MT in two turns and i see Eldar moved some workers to get us saltpenter connected.
We also need more cities to offload unit support, so i will try to build some settlers
We shouldn't be building libraries anymore. For culture we should build temples those are cheaper.. So i switched all those border cities from libraries to temples and some to courts.

T1. 360. Nothing exciting.

T2. 370AD We get MT. put research on 0. Upgraded some units

IBT. Russia declared on Babylon.

T3. 380 Funny thing happened - Celts also have Military Trad. Keep upgrading

T4. 390AD. GAs are over. Keep upgrading... Our economy isn't so good... we only make 225gpt.. But i bet you when we have more cities and existing grow it will be much better.

T5. 400AD. Keep upgrading.. Troops are ready to attack town of Chengdu. Pop 3 but it is on top of the hill.
Declare on China
First wave of attack... vet cav attacks reg pike and dies... bad luck.. The rest is going much smoother and CHengdu is taken

IBT. Nothing happens

T6. 410AD Move into Chinese land, but due to the mountains our cavalry can't get in time for the next city..
I parked cavs on the hill next to the town of Canton.. And that is Incense town - we will have one more lux next turn.

IBT. China tries to attack our cavalry with MDIs, but we either kill them or retreat.

T7. 420AD. Elite horse attacks wounded MDI and leader is produced. :dance: Make a cavalry army.

IBT. Alert Alert!!! Celts built Leo in Camilodunum!!!

T8. 430AD Captured Canton and Tiensin. Another leader is produced :dance: and i rush Heroic Epic in Chengdu.

T9. 440AD Captured Macao. Yet another leader and army is built.!!!! I felt lucky yesterday night. [party]

T10. 450AD. Captured Tatung. Attacking Bienjing but China has too many pikes inside. Bienjing will definetely fall next turn. As i told you our economy is doing much better.. We generate +403GPT. We still have 26 horses, but we really only need to upgrade those close to celts borders.. Some of our horses just stationed in northern border cities. Lone celts warrior entered our land and i don't like look of it... Just keep forces around celts border if they lose their mind and declare on us.

China has 6 cities left... So if we take Benjing next turn and then another city south of Tatung they will be down to 4
We have 6 more turns before gpt deal with celts expired... Just enough to get rid of China and turn on celts.

Post-turn: We might want revert Veii back to miliraty build.. I don't feel good on using inner core city as a settler factory anymore. We can pump/cash rush settlers from all those outside corrupted cities... Since the game is over soon (40-50 turns perhaps less) doesn't make sense to build there any improvements really. Just start on settlers and after 3-4 turns cash rush it if money and pop allows.. Upgrading and cash rushing cavalry certainly takes priority. So next player - destroy China move forces to Celts border and you should probably have time to start celts war. Sign everybody outthere in MA against them even if we have to pay gpt for it.
We can raze all celts cities but Camilodunum and Entremont. We've got to keep Leo and Pyramids. Don't keep troops in their cities after capturing for longer than a turn or two... We our allies should try to sweep them ASAP... The problem is - they own one tile island we won't be able to get rid of them completely and will have to deal with city flipping until we totally starve them and have some culture rushed.

Remember: building new cities as important as capturing those from enemy. We need to have them for lower army upkeep.
Important: Do not send stack of workers to connect remote cities.
One is enough.. use most of our workers to improve cities that producing military or some useful improvements. Repeat - no libraries from now on build temples instead (Can you believe i am actually saying that? :lol: )
Do not sell existing libraries. we do need to grow culture in order to at least minimize chances of flipping. I was quite sloppy with workers myself i believe.
Feel free to kick me.

Celts don't have salpenter - no muskets/no cavalry. That means the sooner we declare on him the less chances he will have to buy salt. from somewhere else.

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Ok, I gots it. Can play tonight.

Convert Veii to military factory, check.
Pull settlers from outer cities, check.
Kill Chinese
Prepare for Celts, and start against them when ready. Sign everybody up against 'em.

I haven't looked at the save yet so I don't have any questions or anything. Any further advice from people?
 
try to get some extra workers as well if you can.
Once we get pyramids it will get easier with population regrow.
 
Just spotted this marvellous opportunity! Novogorod to Settler, rush the final shields for 8g, and nab those Gems!
 

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@ eldar - see first pix in post 303. Granted the opportunity is much better how that Hammi has attacked Cathy. ;)
 
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