Trolling. You're banned for 2 years. From society, not the forums!

[Angst]

I'm 22, have no idea how old you are. If you want to call my views false, morally reprehensible and really immature, that's fine - albeit a bit rich, considering you routinely post some of the most immature stuff on here in your attempts to be funny. But I don't really give a damn. I know we have differnt moral codes; I'm a relativist - I know how much you love that - whereas you've probably picked something out of all the philosophy you've studied, which frankly doesn't interest me more than in passing. I simply call things how I see them, and from what I've seen, someone taking their own life because they can't handle some bullying is not worth the effort of trying to save.

Seriously, no offense, but his statement towards you (Although aimed as you as a person, making it improper for these forums) was not directed at your actual age at all - you know this as well - but instead directed at the maturity traditionally expected from an adult regarding empathy. Adultry usually defines a person as being raised fully, leaving him as a socially educated person; especially people with a high educational level use to expect other people to be somewhat empathically focused. As in, the educated (at least regarding humaniora) generally believe decent, mature people are empathical by nature. I don't know what kind of life you have outside CFC; but in my humble opinion I understand how Fifty was bothered by your post (Read: your post, not you) which stated that Darwinism is appliable with the human race; I agree with Fifty on the point that people in general are, or should be, civilized enough to understand that even the strongest of minds are crackable, and that adults should respect and understnad that humans are civilized above puny laws-of-nature since our race is kinda above the level of extinction; that said, save the problems we bring upon ourselves.

So, to sum it up, your reasoning that weak people should die was considered immature by Fifty since it is unexpected from an adult in the modern world to believe that the surpressed are a burden of society since they just have to pull themselves together; pain is present in this world, and Darwinism doesn't apply with humans since we're above that level.

Fallacies of my above post aside (I know it is unclear and all of my arguments/ideas aren't included, making it shady), you are stating that the socially surpressed should just pull themselves together and stop hurting their families for being whiners - do you actually believe in this, or do you understand the irony of this logic?

 

[Yeekim]

Darwinism doesn't apply with humans since we're above that level.

That statement equals to claiming that gravity doesn't apply to humans. We can merely attempt to ignore the effects natural selection and evolution have on us. I am doubtful whether this is smart thing to do.

Also, maturity is connected to empathy, but not the way you and Fifty describe this.
Generally accepted definition of empathy is "the capacity to recognize or understand another's state of mind or emotion". This capacity should indeed come with experience. However, understanding another's state of mind does not always require being sorry for them. Life is not that simple.

 

[Angst]

That statement equals to claiming that gravity doesn't apply to humans. We can merely attempt to ignore the effects natural selection and evolution have on us. I am doubtful whether this is smart thing to do.

This was perhaps unclear on my account; evolutionary instinct still applies, but we still help out the weak; that is, the corrected sentence might be "Social Darwinism doesn't/shouldn't apply to the human race", but that's merely a fallacy since Social Darwinism is only appliable to humans. But you might understand me for this clarification.

Also, maturity is connected to empathy, but not the way you and Fifty describe this.
Generally accepted definition of empathy is "the capacity to recognize or understand another's state of mind or emotion". This capacity should indeed come with experience. However, understanding another's state of mind does not always require being sorry for them. Life is not that simple.

Well, I understand your point; but then again, I think it's the viewpoint of mine and Fifty's (Overall Disclaimer: This Is Actually Putting Words In Fifty's Mouth) are quite accurate of what would be defined as a decently socially educated adult, that state of mind including the empathic ability to see that the human state of mind isn't fairly judged in Sharwood's eyes. That said, at least in our eyes. Then again, I always respect your posts and logic, this one included.

 

[Sharwood]

That statement equals to claiming that gravity doesn't apply to humans. We can merely attempt to ignore the effects natural selection and evolution have on us. I am doubtful whether this is smart thing to do.

Also, maturity is connected to empathy, but not the way you and Fifty describe this.
Generally accepted definition of empathy is "the capacity to recognize or understand another's state of mind or emotion". This capacity should indeed come with experience. However, understanding another's state of mind does not always require being sorry for them. Life is not that simple.

This. I feel sympathy for those who deserve it. I'm probably more harsh than most people in deciding what deserves my sympathy, but a life in which those same people have pissed on you for most of it tends to do that.

For the record, I don't believe in Social Darwinism; it only works if everyone has an equal starting point, which obviously isn't the case, and even if said equal starting point was achieved, what about the next generation? But just because I don't believe in Social Darwinism doesn't mean I don't believe in holding people responsible for their own actions, including suicide.

I guarantee I've been through worse in my life than 90% of people here, and the only time I ever contemplated suicide was to spare my loved ones of pain. I guess my continued existence is more a sign of the fact that I don't particularly care for my own family than anything else, make of that what you will. I was more interested in my own survival than theirs.

By "surpressed" I assume you mean 'oppressed.' My logic on this is quite simple - if you have access to the means of pulling yourself out of your rut, do it. I did. If you can't, that's not really my problem. If I ever find a way to improve the lot of the masses I'll take it - I've spent several years studying in the hope of developing a new idea that will lead to a just government and society. But I'm not holding my breath, and I daily see things that make me wonder why I bother.

I once read a quotation: "I refuse to fight for the freedom of any man who won't fight for it himself." I'm beginning to feel the same way about everything, and since the apathy of my countrymen is one of the things I hate most about them, I don't want to feel that way. But no-one's giving me a lot of other options here.

 

[Narz]

Adultry usually defines a person as being raised fully, leaving him as a socially educated person

That's not what adultery means.

And Fifty getting offended by someone else's lack of empathy & compassion is a joke.

On topic, I think a whole lot of the expressed compassion for suicides & the self-destructive is feigned only. Don't know how many of you actually have known a suicide but they can get really friggin' annoying & often they simply cannot be saved without superhuman efforts that are beyond the capacity of your average individual (let alone an individual who's pretty damn f-ed up himself).

If someone wants to die keeping him (or her) alive for some humanitarian reason is abusive. You have no idea the pain they may be in & if they feel they have no reason to live they deserve to have a choice. Self-destructive people deserve to be allowed to self-destruct with dignity, disallowing this creates even more suffering & often rage and, in the worst, scenerio, people will take a long time to go down & ruin other lives in the process.

I disagree with Sharwood that suicides are morally reprehensible. Sure, they're selfish, so are we for wanted to keep them around. My best friend from college killed himself & I have no compassion at all for his POS family who offered him near-zero support in his lifetime & wants to play all "boo-hoo" when he did what he's been threatening for years. His mother refused to speak to him once he dropped out of college, even though she knew he was horribly depressed, I feel absolutely no sympathy for her.

 

[Angst]

That's not what adultery means.

No, but it is kinda expected from a proper adult to be able to feel compassion compared to egocentric teens. Or at least, should be expected; should be normal.

And Fifty getting offended by someone else's lack of empathy & compassion is a joke.

I didn't know that, then.

 

[Narz]

Teens should feel compassion too if they're raised right.

The whole teens getting away with being irresponsible, immoral retards is an anomaly of the 20th & 21st centuries really.

 

[Moss]

I don't like the law.

For any type of cyberbullying to take place, there has to be a method of interaction between the two parties. These methods of interaction are usually on forums, myspace/facebook, chatrooms, or by email. I realize some people are as technologically gifted as others, but if you know how to use any of those features, you also know how to use any of those features to block/ignore/ban someone from being able to contact you. (you also have the ability to contact local authorities if it bothers you so much...).

Also, most of this stuff happens on platforms that are owned and operated by third parties. If those third parties did a little bit better job of monitoring the traffic that happens on their sites, or if they provide a means for reporting the abuses (which most do by the way), again, the problems can be solved.

There are already many safeguards in place, or that can be put in place if not already there, that can help individuals and sites on the internet stop this type of bullying. A law is not the way to go, especially the way this one is worded. It could lead to prosecutions (completed unrelated subject matter, but sexting cases come to mind) that are completely bogus and a waste of our tax dollars.

 

[Angst]

Teens should feel compassion too if they're raised right.

The whole teens getting away with being irresponsible, immoral retards is an anomaly of the 20th & 21st centuries really.

True; and true, but irresponsible =|= selfish.

 

[Flying Pig]

If someone wants to die keeping him (or her) alive for some humanitarian reason is abusive. You have no idea the pain they may be in & if they feel they have no reason to live they deserve to have a choice. Self-destructive people deserve to be allowed to self-destruct with dignity, disallowing this creates even more suffering & often rage and, in the worst, scenerio, people will take a long time to go down & ruin other lives in the process.

What if with a little help they will stop being suicidal? That seems better to me.

 

[choxorn]

The whole teens getting away with being irresponsible, immoral retards is an anomaly of the 20th & 21st centuries really.

What can we say? It's fun.

It could lead to prosecutions (completed unrelated subject matter, but sexting cases come to mind) that are completely bogus and a waste of our tax dollars.

Prosecutions over sexting that are a complete waste of time and money already happen too much. Certain governments are in a deranged mania about stopping child porn, which in the end doesn't solve anything. Given how child porn laws often have the same result as what you have described here- bogus prosecutions that are a waste of our money- it's likely the same could happen with this law.

 

[D'Artagnan59]

But in all seriousness, I wouldn't off myself over the crap that happens at CFC. I wouldn't kill myself over the girl.

 

[Lay_Lay]

awww.... Hurting My Feewings.... Making fun of my Myspace page...awwww... imago off myself....! No wait.
I'm Telling on you!!! haha In Your Face. Now you're in trouble!!

 

[Adrogans]

This law is going to produce massive amounts of craptastic legal cases, or will be virtually ignored. It shouldn't have been written.

 

[damnation]

Damn, They're on to me!
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[Fëanor]

You'll only get my keyboard when you take it from my cold, dead hands!

 

[Adrogans]

could they be warm, dead hands? I hate waiting for the body to cool.

 

[Narz]

What if with a little help they will stop being suicidal? That seems better to me.

Depends how bad off they are. But consider this - alot of people will NOT tell anyone about their suicidal feelings because they are afraid to be judged, watched, laughed at or put in a mental ward. By destigmatization suicide many more people will seek help. And the ones who are beyond help will be able to die with dignity on their own terms instead of having to steal a bunch of pills or point a gun at a cop.

 

[Flying Pig]

Possibly. If you're right, it's a good idea.