Trouble with Babylone

robert_ducourc

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Hi fellows,
I have trouble concerning the early management of a Babylonian empire, and I'd like you to share your thoughs.

First of all, english is not my native language so please be tolerant...
Second, I'm a noob. A lurking noob, but a noob.

I've been playing I think every civ opus since the first, in easy or normal difficulty, and it's the first time I want to improve my game. Previously I was playing solo, and recently I've been starting to play with a friend over the net. Right now, in solo games, I'm winning constently at king, most of the time at emperor.
I've been only using until BNW China, but with the early wars being more difficult, and the warmonger bashing, I switched for Shoshones. This civ seemed a bit to overpowered for our MP games, so I switched once again, for Babylone.

I have trouble getting high science input at T200, most of the time it is around 3 or 400, where I used to reach at least 600 using the Shoshones.

In the beginning, I beeline writing, then more or less education for the univeristy, and I'm using all scientist slots. Education come late, around T125, and NC around T100. I think that there lies my problem : unability to get fast NC then fast education.
I don't really know when to expand (2 or 3 towns most of time before getting NC), when to go for NC first then expand (pretty situationnal I think).
I still haven't try the 3 cities trad start, using trade routes to feed my 2 expos, but I will soon. The problem is that the build order doesn't seem to be compatible with the best use of Babylone's early scientist.
Anyway, does any of you have some general guidelines for this civilization and this last patch (found a nice post for NC first, but not for BNW) ?
Thanks for you help.
 
The only "best" use for Babylon's GS at writing is to plant it as an academy.
Not going tradition is also hurting you, high science is all about high population.

The NC first start is indeed a BNW strat and is very powerful if you are not next to an expansionist.

The basic strat with Babylon is bee line right to writing, plant the GS, then grab a lux tech and archery, then right to phylo for the NC. You can push out 2ish settlers and have them stand around where you will drop your cities then drop them when the NC finishes, or you can just drop them and build libraries/granaries and get NC at ~T80. After that, just grow like mad, expand to 4 or 5 cities if possible. Plant your GS's until Scientific Theory, then save the rest for late game bulbs.
 
Babylone: an ancient Mesopotamian sausage. Made from salted pork and lard ground into paste and baked, it was typically sliced thin and served on a sandwich with cheese and pickles :lol:
 
Babylone: an ancient Mesopotamian sausage. Made from salted pork and lard ground into paste and baked, it was typically sliced thin and served on a sandwich with cheese and pickles :lol:

"First of all, english is not my native language so please be tolerant... "
 
Thanks Josh : I'll use your advices, and give a try to the "NC first" and 2 settlers waiting to.. settle.
Once you got 3 cities, do you expand to 4 or 5 or more cities? Or stay at 3 tall cities?

For Magma Dragoon : sorry, I don't get it :(. Maybe it has something to do with the "e" at the end of Babylon? Damned, I googled it, but found nothing. Maybe I am at the dawn of the discovery of some strange culinar speciality : enlight me :)
 
I'm making a joke. With the extra e, I read it phonetically as a portmanteau of Babylon and bologna. Were I an advertising executive at Oscar Meyer, I would definitely pursue this idea. Expand into the Iraqi sandwich meat market! :crazyeye:
 
OK, I get it ! :D

I learnt also what Oscar Mayer and a portmanteau were. Strange, the name "portmanteau" is french, designing most of the time a wooden thing were to hang coats.

Merry Christmas and happy new year all !
 
balogna:

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