Try-04: Lonely Civs and Bismarck the Builder

[altonhare]

I had some computer issues, I'll pick up after cripp's done?

 

[cripp7]

Turn 0
Our GP creates The Dai Mioa in Munich which nets us +10gpt@60%, guild due in 3t. Raising the slider to 70% we're losing -20gpt. I stick with 70%
hit enter

Turn 1
Charlie demands a revolt to vassalage..sorry Charlie, you MUST (in Cartman voice)'respect my athoriti'
settler is in Hamburg is done and send him to blue spot, queue up a xbow
Munich gets a 2pop whip on the university which the overflow goes to the observitory.
Our caraval beat down a barb galley

Turn 2
Lost a caraval to barb galleys, seems like a barbarian horde up north.
Colonge finishes its university and starts on an observitory
settler in Frankfurt done and queues up a xbow
Dusseldorf gets the whip for 2pop so overflow goes to the courthouse which is needed badly.
Bremmen gets a whip (way enough food) for a courthouse
Our medic chariot wakes up to a barb HA coming in from the south so he falls back to heal up

Turn 3
Guilds is finished, Banking is due in 1t. I'm not going to revolt until Economics is done

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Essen finishes it's galleon, queue up another galleon
Duisberg settled and queued up a library as monuments are obsolete

Turn 4
Banking finished so Economics is in 4t

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Berlin finishes it's galleon and queues up a bank, banks/grocers going in top money cities.
Dortmund 2pop whips its market and will queue up a bank
Stuggart gets an event either +104:reaserh: towards Theology or +4 in the monostary. I choose the +4 as Theo is only 2t.

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Frankfurt finishes the xbow and starts a pikeman.
Barb HA takes a detour and goes towards the chariot parked on the hill
Decide to load up the scouts and send them to scout the jungle island
Slider drop to 0% +172gpt for 2t to give some extra so I can run the slider a little higher

Turn 5
Hamburn finishes xbow who goes down south to fogbust, queue up LB
Hanover whips courthouse for 2pop
Chariot loses to HA, caravel wins against barb galley

Turn 6
Hanover starts a forge
Cologne whips 2pop on observitory
Run the slider back to 70% -32gpt with 458 in the bank
Economics is due in 4t and will change civics to caste/FM as slavery is coming to an end, caste will allow mega scientists in the high cities.
Shaka has a caravel browsing the western shore.

Turn 7
Cologne finishes observitoty starts mission
Essen's galleon done starts missionary
Make a trade with Shaka for +2

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Turn 8
Hamburg finishes a LB goes to Duisburg starts xbow
Had our medic chariot was fog bust and won against HA and is now a medic II
Lost another caravel to barb galley
Nothing else zzz

Turn 9
Eco due in 1t
Frankfurt finishes maceman starts monastary
Stuttgart whips 3pop on university
Berlin whips 2pop on bank
Make a trade with Shaka, can now see his land

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Turn 10
Economics in start Libralism

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Civics switch

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Berlin finishes bank starts on a missionary
Stuttgart finishes university and starts a lighthouse
Bremen finishes courthouse starts half-price harbor
Hanover finishes courthouse starts library
Galleon drops off the scouts on jungle island, I can see some roads so Han has something there
Perci wants Lit,CoL,Paper for Theo..pass
GM put to sleep in Berlin

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Turn 11
Out of revolt
zzzz

Turn 12
Perci comes and asks to trade Theo+60 for Paper, renigotiate Theo for CoL+220 (missed screen)
Berlin missionary done start customs house
Frankfurt monastary done start xbow
Essen missionary done starts customs house
Loaded galleon with 3 missionaries and sent it towards Perci
Drop slider to 60% +1gpt

Turn 13
Bremen harbor in start forge
Libralism in 1t switch to PP due in 4t
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Shaka's land

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Munich GP Farm

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Now, where does OU go?
Once we get corp, where does WS go.
We also need to get the FP setup and need to start working on military.

 

[altonhare]

What's an OU?

What's a WS?

What's a FP?

 

[cripp7]

What's an OU?

What's a WS?

What's a FP?

Oxford, Wall Street, Forbidden Palace

 

[S.ilver]

Oxford University.

Wall Street.

Forbidden Palace.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

 

[Ralph_Jackson]

Well who wants to be that despite the Caste Scientists in Munich we still pop another Engineer

Ralph

 

[Trynthlas]

Well who wants to be that despite the Caste Scientists in Munich we still pop another Engineer

Ralph

No thank you!

as far as the national wonders...

Oxford in Dortmund, I think (highest base commerce and will continue to be so).
Wall Street in our GP farm, because it's also our religious holy city
Not sure where I'd stick the FP, but probably on another continent once we get some cities elsewhere!

 

[altonhare]

This is bizarre. I put in the civ4 Btw disc and it tries to start up, but then fails saying "cannot recognize CD, please insert the correct CD and restart the application". I tried Warlords also, same thing. But when I tried some other discs like an audio book, NWN Diamond, and Baldur's Gate it worked fine...

 

[altonhare]

Trynthlas,

It seems to me that OU and WS should be reversed. With the gobs of scientists we're running in Munich OU would give a big multiplier there. With Dortumund's commerce WS would produce a lot of gold there.

The FP will have to go on this continent unless we're going to put it off until we conquer someone else (Egypt)?

I'm going to reign in our specialists a bit so we can actually grow to/near our happy cap. We'll take a hit in the short run but it will pay off in the long run. This also fits with our theme of buildering.

There is some land out there that is untamed, but planting some cities down there seems relatively costly. Seems, to me, that developing now and taking what we want later is a better plan. Of course, my personal strategy is rarely to settle off my home continent (unless it's too small). Instead I build a reasonable one continent powerhouse and then use this economic advantage to take whatever I want.

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So, I started Heroic Epic in Frankfurt.

Khan demanded some dye as tribute. I give him our extra, why not eh? We're not militarily read to hang our rears out right now.

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Then Ramesses demanded we cancel our trades with Zulu... which I refused. A bit of a gamble but we'll see.

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http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=201778&stc=1&d=1233167821

Later a GS is born in Munich

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He builds an academy in Cologne.

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Then we discovered printing press.

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Then I beelined corporation for the powerful wall street. It also leaves democracy as a reasonable liberalism tech.

A bit later we discover Nationalism.

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And start in on corporation. MMmmm WS. Start building the Taj Mahal in Frankfurt.

Shaka offers 270 gold for CoL. Sure, why not?

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We discover constitution.

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And here we are.

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[cripp7]

Need to fix the pictures in the spoilers

 

[altonhare]

What do I put inside the spoiler tags?

 

[Trynthlas]

It seems to me that OU and WS should be reversed. With the gobs of scientists we're running in Munich OU would give a big multiplier there. With Dortumund's commerce WS would produce a lot of gold there.

Except we won't be running those scientists forever, and in fact may switch them soon if we decide we don't want another scientist next. Since we're in a CE, the goal is to keep the science slider high and thus the city with the best commerce should get Oxford.

Wall Street should almost ALWAYS go in the holy city if you've built a shrine (which we did). Can't top the gold that is generated there, and with Market, Grocer, Bank, and Wall Street, it generates gold far more than a commerce city could.

 

[cripp7]

What do I put inside the spoiler tags?

click on the yellow "Insert Image" icon or

 

[S.ilver]

I think I'm up now... Any plans that need to be taken care of, or shall I continue pushing the tech lead and getting us an invasion force to give Pericles a hand?

 

[Trynthlas]

I think we should get a decision on where we're building Oxford and Wall street and perhaps start those soon.

Also, I think we should at least settle our National park city site if not the others yet.

 

[cripp7]

shall I continue pushing the tech lead and getting us an invasion force to give Pericles a hand?

agreed

I think we should get a decision on where we're building Oxford and Wall street and perhaps start those soon.

Also, I think we should at least settle our National park city site if not the others yet.

Dortmund (I vote to rename the cities by like Wall Street, Oxford instead of the hard to remember ones) gets WS, leave Ox where it is because of GLib is there. Too bad the shrine is there.

 

[S.ilver]

Dortmund (I vote to rename the cities by like Wall Street, Oxford instead of the hard to remember ones) gets WS, leave Ox where it is because of GLib is there. Too bad the shrine is there.

Except the GLib goes obsolete by SciMeth. After that, there is no more incentive to continue running scientists in that place. That place cranks out 24 gold from the shrine alone! Let alone running merchant specs in it. Since we seem to like running the slider high, it would make sense that a city that produces no "raw commerce" should focus on making our gold anyways.

That being said, I opened up the save and I see we are already building Oxford in Munich, despite the discussion ongoing. This is major for obvious reasons, as we as a team have not even nailed down where it is going yet...

EDIT: Tech wise, we need to swing back and grab Music and Military Tradition, as we need that to sign a defensive pact with Pericles (AFAIK, the AI won't PA you without a long standing DP).

 

[cripp7]

True about Munich<WS

 

[S.ilver]

So yeah... before I proceeded, I wanted to get consensus (or at least a majority vote), of where to put Oxford and Wall St. There seems to be a tie right now, with myself and Tryn preferring to put WS in Munich, while cripp and altonhare want Oxford in Munich.

Ralph has the tiebreaker right now if we're all sticking to our placements.

 

[cripp7]

WS in Munich cuz the shrine is there, can assign mega merchants there once GL is gone. OX in dortmund?