[TSL] Yet (not) Another Earth Maps Pack

Montijin · Jul 9, 2013

My computer and patience can't handle the Giant map, so I usually play on Huge.

I noticed the BNW civilizations aren't on the huge map yet. I went to open the world builder to put them in myself; however the SDK hasn't been updated and it says my current version of civ5 does not match the current world builder version. -_-

I guess I'll have to wait until they update their SDK. :mad:

You don't even need the new SDK to accomplish this, I just have no idea what the X and Y values are for the new civs....If someone who has the old client that matches the SDK can put these civs on the huge map they would be my hero.... Just sayin'.

Gedemon · Jul 9, 2013

You can't add starting position to this mod via the World Builder, it will not work. The maps are all completely "blank" from scenario information, that's what allow the mod to work with all versions of civilization, all DLC, all expansions, allow placement of civilization that have not been released yet, allow choosing exactly the civ you want on the map, etc...

You need the WorldBuilder only to check the coordinates of the starting positions (the x,y in plot edition) and then put them in the XML files.

btw, someone had sent me a few messages on steam related to that, but I wasn't able to answer or note the name of the users that send them (was on my phone). So whoever you are, what's above (and the first post of this thread) should also answer your question.

Ekmek · Jul 9, 2013

BNW update?

Gedemon · Jul 9, 2013

on steam only ATM.

will need a bit of free time to do my update on CFC too (took me 2 hours to update 4-5 mods on steam yesterday...)

Montijin · Jul 9, 2013

Gedemon said:
You need the WorldBuilder only to check the coordinates of the starting positions (the x,y in plot edition) and then put them in the XML files.

Yeah, that's what I meant. I can't check the coordinates to place them in the XML.

Ekmek · Jul 9, 2013

Gedemon said:
on steam only ATM.

will need a bit of free time to do my update on CFC too (took me 2 hours to update 4-5 mods on steam yesterday...)

did it include that new map?

ww2commander · Jul 10, 2013

Yeah, that's what I meant. I can't check the coordinates to place them in the XML.

If you have debugging mode switched on (refer to you config ini file) then it should display ingame the hex coordinates in the tooltip that appears just above the next turn button (not the mouse pointer). It will say something like 29x, 42y along with the usual river, hill, grassland, mine text stuff.

Montijin · Jul 10, 2013

ww2commander said:
If you have debugging mode switched on (refer to you config ini file) then it should display ingame the hex coordinates in the tooltip that appears just above the next turn button (not the mouse pointer). It will say something like 29x, 42y along with the usual river, hill, grassland, mine text stuff.

Thanks for the tip. I spent the time actually doing this. XD

If anyone wants to play on Earth Huge with the new civilizations add this to the Earth Huge map start position section.

Spoiler :

Zulu starting position might not be 100% right in southern Africa and where you put Brazil is probably a personal preference, near Brasilia is what this one is though; buy anyways, they are both there. The three new natural wonders are not on this map yet, btw!

Al-Iskander · Jul 10, 2013

Montijin said:
Thanks for the tip. I spent the time actually doing this. XD

If anyone wants to play on Earth Huge with the new civilizations add this to the Earth Huge map start position section.

Spoiler :

<Row>
<Type>CIVILIZATION_PORTUGAL</Type>
<X>53</X>
<Y>54</Y>
</Row>
<Row>
<Type>CIVILIZATION_VENICE</Type>
<X>63</X>
<Y>56</Y>
</Row>
<Row>
<Type>CIVILIZATION_POLAND</Type>
<X>67</X>
<Y>61</Y>
</Row>
<Row>
<Type>CIVILIZATION_BRAZIL</Type>
<X>40</X>
<Y>25</Y>
</Row>
<Row>
<Type>CIVILIZATION_ASSYRIA</Type>
<X>77</X>
<Y>50</Y>
</Row>
<Row>
<Type>CIVILIZATION_INDONESIA</Type>
<X>103</X>
<Y>27</Y>
</Row>
<Row>
<Type>CIVILIZATION_MOROCCO</Type>
<X>52</X>
<Y>47</Y>
</Row>
<Row>
<Type>CIVILIZATION_ZULU</Type>
<X>70</X>
<Y>15</Y>
</Row>
<Row>
<Type>CIVILIZATION_SHOSHONE</Type>
<X>17</X>
<Y>60</Y>
</Row>

Zulu starting position might not be 100% right in southern Africa and where you put Brazil is probably a personal preference, near Brasilia is what this one is though; buy anyways, they are both there. The three new natural wonders are not on this map yet, btw!

Thanks!!

ww2commander · Jul 10, 2013

If anyone wants to play on Earth Huge with the new civilizations add this to the Earth Huge map start position section.

...and thank you for doing this as I am playing this map right now in G&K so will rapidly add these coordinates in once I get BNW on Friday

Really hate watching you NA folks enjoying it whilst the rest of wait it out

Gedemon · Jul 11, 2013

Ekmek said:
did it include that new map?

yes and no: the map file is in, but I'm still working on it, and it's not "linked" to the setup screen.

and thanks Montijin :goodjob:

Ekmek · Jul 11, 2013

Gedemon said:
yes and no: the map file is in, but I'm still working on it, and it's not "linked" to the setup screen.

and thanks Montijin

need help?

Gedemon · Jul 11, 2013

Ekmek said:
need help?

Yes, I could really use it, I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the updates... And I feel very lucky that except maybe for R.E.D. Modpack, nothing unexpected has happened to my mods with the new patch.

How would you proceed ? Usually when checking for a new starting location, I'm using the opportunity to compare the region in google map, try to add (or verify) rivers, hills, mountains, and other features placement in the area.

The map was made with a static set of civilizations in mind, TSL for those should be good already, but we have to check for the placement of the other civs, for balanced start.

Glassmage · Jul 11, 2013

I worked really hard for 2 years now to get the Giant Earth as accurate as possible and will release new map soon. Check the new map(The one right now is all the way back in November) when I upload it this weekend http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=108728331

The new one will have more accurate rivers/balanced type of tiles/starting position, for each civ

Gedemon · Jul 11, 2013

I'd like to have a compare/merge tools for maps, I've also made a few change there and there...

Glassmage · Jul 11, 2013

Thanks for putting everything up on steam

rppppppa · Jul 12, 2013

Wanted to say big thanks for the mod; been using it forever and it's added so much replay value to the game.

That said, there seems to be a bug in the BNW update. When selecting the 'riche' option for resources it seems that both luxury resources and strategic resources are incredibly scarce. For instance, over the entirety of one game I only found a single luxury/strategic resource (however there were tons of deer, wheat, bananas, etc.)

Again, thanks for the awesome mod.

Gedemon · Jul 12, 2013

Al-Iskander have send me a list of starting position for djvandyke's map, I'd like to know if there are some edit to do around those position on the map in your opinion.

I took a guess at civilization start positions for the "Greatest" map. If this is helpful, feel free to use these. I took some liberties in some situations:

Spoiler :

Here are the positions (I kept your "Replace" tags, since I didn't know whether those were significant):

Spoiler :

Code:

		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_AMERICA</Type>
			<X>19</X>
			<Y>47</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_ARABIA</Type>
			<X>64</X>
			<Y>33</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_AZTEC</Type>
			<X>11</X>
			<Y>34</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_CHINA</Type>
			<X>87</X>
			<Y>54</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_EGYPT</Type>
			<X>58</X>
			<Y>33</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_ENGLAND</Type>
			<X>40</X>
			<Y>52</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_FRANCE</Type>
			<X>42</X>
			<Y>48</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_GERMANY</Type>
			<X>51</X>
			<Y>53</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_GREECE</Type>
			<X>57</X>
			<Y>41</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_INDIA</Type>
			<X>75</X>
			<Y>39</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_IROQUOIS</Type>
			<X>19</X>
			<Y>51</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_JAPAN</Type>
			<X>98</X>
			<Y>46</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_OTTOMAN</Type>
			<X>60</X>
			<Y>44</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_PERSIA</Type>
			<X>69</X>
			<Y>40</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_ROME</Type>
			<X>50</X>
			<Y>42</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_RUSSIA</Type>
			<X>63</X>
			<Y>56</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_SIAM</Type>
			<X>83</X>
			<Y>38</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_SONGHAI</Type>
			<X>47</X>
			<Y>26</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_BABYLON</Type>
			<X>65</X>
			<Y>39</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_MONGOL</Type>
			<X>81</X>
			<Y>57</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_INCA</Type>
			<X>23</X>
			<Y>17</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_SPAIN</Type>
			<X>37</X>
			<Y>38</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_POLYNESIA</Type>
			<X>102</X>
			<Y>36</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_DENMARK</Type>
			<X>49</X>
			<Y>57</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_KOREA</Type>
			<X>92</X>
			<Y>52</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_AUSTRIA</Type>
			<X>54</X>
			<Y>49</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_BYZANTIUM</Type>
			<X>57</X>
			<Y>45</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_CARTHAGE</Type>
			<X>48</X>
			<Y>36</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_CELTS</Type>
			<X>38</X>
			<Y>56</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_ETHIOPIA</Type>
			<X>64</X>
			<Y>26</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_HUNS</Type>
			<X>67</X>
			<Y>49</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_MAYA</Type>
			<X>15</X>
			<Y>31</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_NETHERLANDS</Type>
			<X>43</X>
			<Y>53</Y>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_SWEDEN</Type>
			<X>52</X>
			<Y>61</Y>
		</Row>

		<Replace>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_PORTUGAL</Type>
			<X>33</X>
			<Y>37</Y>
		</Replace>
		<Replace>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_VENICE</Type>
			<X>51</X>
			<Y>47</Y>
		</Replace>
		<Replace>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_POLAND</Type>
			<X>56</X>
			<Y>55</Y>
		</Replace>
		<Replace>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_BRAZIL</Type>
			<X>30</X>
			<Y>13</Y>
		</Replace>
		<Replace>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_ASSYRIA</Type>
			<X>65</X>
			<Y>41</Y>
		</Replace>
		<Replace>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_INDONESIA</Type>
			<X>85</X>
			<Y>24</Y>
		</Replace>
		<Replace>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_MOROCCO</Type>
			<X>39</X>
			<Y>31</Y>
		</Replace>
		<Replace>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_ZULU</Type>
			<X>59</X>
			<Y>5</Y>
		</Replace>
		<Replace>
			<Type>CIVILIZATION_SHOSHONE</Type>
			<X>5</X>
			<Y>51</Y>
		</Replace>

Also, for reference, the list of CS I'd like to be available for the map:

Spoiler :

(maybe we can start by a spaced selection)

rppppppa said:
Wanted to say big thanks for the mod; been using it forever and it's added so much replay value to the game.

That said, there seems to be a bug in the BNW update. When selecting the 'riche' option for resources it seems that both luxury resources and strategic resources are incredibly scarce. For instance, over the entirety of one game I only found a single luxury/strategic resource (however there were tons of deer, wheat, bananas, etc.)

Again, thanks for the awesome mod.

Thanks to remind me, I'll have a look. It was on which map ?

Could you try again and post your lua.log just after starting a new game in that configuration (see How to Enable Logging )

rppppppa · Jul 12, 2013

Gedemon said:
Thanks to remind me, I'll have a look. It was on which map ?

Could you try again and post your lua.log just after starting a new game in that configuration (see How to Enable Logging )

This was on the Giant Earth map.

lua.log is too big to post in a message. Here's what I'd imagine are the relevant parts:

Spoiler :

Thasarthir · Jul 12, 2013

Thank you very much.
Your mods are just awesome!

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