Tupac02-Ghandi the Conqueror AWE

[tupaclives]

The front

My proposed dot map. The middle dot is the palace city obviously.

and of course the save.

 

[Lboogie13]

I have the save for real this time. Should post in a few hours

 

[Lboogie13]

Ok, so it took me over 3 hours for my simple turns but here it is. By the way following tupaclives in this game is totally sweet and awesome. Thanks for leaving me a road map for every turnset.

Hit enter and away we go ....

IBT Greeks have Ironclads lurking to the north of core, Chinese move a ton of cavs outside new indus

1530 - Rush bank in Hyderabad using tupaclives suggestion. Founded Capital City on new continent (using tupaclives dot map of course) , start bombing the crap out of Chinese cavs, cannons are being fired the 154th Blind & Drunken Irishmen regiment (no offense to my Irish friends, St. Patty's day and all) so we don't redline anyone but yello line a lot of units. Lose 3 cavs clearing out all units

IBT - green, pink and blue units oh my...a rainbow Okay, enough silliness. Chinese still hitting outside Babylon with ships, Chinese land 1 cav outside Ellipi, Ur riots

1535 - Founded Delhi 2, pillage horses outside Nineveh (persian) attack Teot. defended by 2 lousy spearman, burn it and the Great wall to the ground, clear more units outside new indus, 154th regiment still stinking it up with the cannons

IBT - greeks attack Babylon with about 10 cavs, kills 1 defending, elite promo to vet cav

1540 - not only is order restored in Ur but they celebrate WLTKD, lose one cav clearing out units around Babylon

IBT - Greeks kills one rifle defending New Indus, Chinese land 4 cavs outside Ellipi

1545 - founded Bombay 2, the Irishmen sober up and get surgery for their cataracks and redline all chinese cavs, even get the pike in Ur to kill a cav (flawless)

IBT - Persians send a huge wave of cavs at New Indus, many cavs stop short, we defend 6-0, 1-2 against Chinese cavs though

1550 - zzzz (clearing units, nothing interesting)

IBT - 2 greek ironclads appear up north

1555- Attack Hamadan (persian) city near New Indus, defended by conscript rifles and 1 regular cav, lose 1 cav but burn city to the ground, take 3 gold and 5 slaves

start pillaging coal in mountains near Nineveh (persian)

IBT - Persains kill rifle I accidently left outside New ganges, kill 1 rifle protecting slaves and take them back, greek ironclads bombing up north

1560 - Ganges riots, finish pillaging coal, attack Antioch, lose 2 cavs attacking but burn it, capture 1 slave, clearing units outside babylon, lose 1 cav in the process

IBT - Greeks attack New Ganges with a boat load of cavs, we lose 4 cavs and 1 rifle, surprisingly no leaders popped up and only a few promos despite 10-5. Reg galleon killed by Greek vet caravel lurking in shipping lane

1565 - clear out remaining greek cavs, capture greek settler

IBT - Chinese destroy improvements outside babylon, greeks destroy improvements in northern core

1570 - lose elite cav attacking persian rifle, attack again and capute cannon, capture chinese settler, attack and kill 2 rifles defending Pasagrade (persians) with cav army

IBT - the usual influx of enemy troops

1575 - clear out units, the Irishmen are really pissed and shooting accurately , kill 2 more rifles in Pasagrade and I've only lost 2 HP with my cav army

What happens next is crazy. I should sumbit this as the screen shot of the day. Probably the last defender in Pasagrade is a conscript rifle not even fortified. Naturally, I attack. Instead of explaining, I will just show you





Sufficied to say, my poor cats went running for cover when the profanities starting spewing out of my mouth.

Post game - I started the ring according to tupaclives dotmap. I think there is only one city that needs founding (and one that needs abandoning). I wasn't sure if I was supposed to start it yet or not. In any event, the AI never even got close to that area.

I couldn't believe it but I got no leaders. Tupaclives must have used them all up. I had a ton of elite wins but nada. The debate over when to rush the palace will have to wait I guess.

 

[Lboogie13]

In all, the flow keeps coming but it was all easily handled. Other than a few exceptions, the AI sent most 2 or 3 units at a time. with the cannons even when they had a stack I was able to pick them off before they could do any damage. More reinforcements are on the way. IMHO, I think it is time to start attacking. Anyway here's the save

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And for all you lurkers

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[madviking]

lurker's comment: I smell tanks.

 

[tupaclives]

Great turnset Lboogie13, pity about the cav army, we'll probably lose it in the interturn

3 cities left in the dotmap, and we should be able to jump a palace to capital city next turnset

@Madviking - I seriously doubt that. At the end of my turnset they AI were up Industrialization and communism on us. They had only just acquired Industrialization near the end of my turnset. As long as we keep warring tanks are a loooooong way off

 

[markh]

Looks good. First Persian city razed. Pity about Pasargadae and the army. Let tupac take the save for a turn to get us another army.

 

[Lboogie13]

Yeah I'm really sorry about our cav army guys. I mean a nearly full strength army against an unfortified conscript anything is usually a easy victory. I knew rifles were good defenders but this one takes the cake easily.

I have really been learning a lot but here is another newbie question...how come when cavs are on the attack they sometimes retreat and sometimes fight to the death against the same type of unit?

 

[markh]

Fortified rifles in size 12 cities are tough even for a cav army.

There is a probability regarding retreating for fast movers. I do not know the exact figure and I think the attacker will not retreat if it reduces at least 2 HPs from the defender. I am not 100% sure, but I think I have never seen a fast mover retreat in that scenario.

 

[tupaclives]

Roster

tupaclives
LBoogie13 - just played
McLman - UP
Markh - On deck

 

[McLMan]

Sorry guys, please skip me for this round. Job has been killing me lately. In the push to get one project finished, and beginning the planning for the next project. Too many late nights at the office.

 

[tupaclives]

No worries McLman, hope you dont get too bogged down.

So that makes Roster

tupaclives - On Deck
Lboogie13 - just played
McLman - skipped
Markh - Up

 

[markh]

Ok, I will get to it tonight.

 

[markh]

0) 1575AD) some mm issues

IBT : as expected we lose our cav army and another exposed cav

1) 1580AD) : rails are so nice
lose a cav at Troy (0-1)
elite cav loses to Greek cav (0-2) bad beginning
elite cav kills Greek cav and we have another leader (1-2) ha, that's what I call RNG
form army
cav kills Greek cav (2-2)
cav kills Greek cav (3-2)
elite cav kills Greek cav and hey what is this ? Second leader in one turn. (4-2)
this one rushes the palace in new caiptol city
cav loses to Greek cav (4-3)
elite cav kills Persian cav (5-3)
cav loses to Persian cav (5-4) What is this ? we are losing cavs to redlined cavs, damn RNG
cav kills Persian cav (6-4)
cav kills Persian cav and promotes elite (7-4)
phant army kills Greek cav (8-4)
phant army kills Persian cav (9-4)
higher research by 10% : Electricity in 7 at +1 gpt

IBT : we lose a rifle
China lands 2 rifles and a cav at New Jaipur
Lyons : rifle -> cav
Capitol City : Palace -> barracks
Bangalore : cav -> cav
Ganges : cav -> cav
Pune : rifle -> rifle
New Jaipur : lib -> cav

2) 1585AD : we are now making -19gpt at 50% research, could be worse
only a few units in range for our cannons, this will a quiet turn
lose a cav to a Chinese rifle at New Jaipur (9-5)
cav kills Chinese rifle at New Jaipur (10-5)
regular cav kills Chinese cav at New Hyderabad (11-5)
cav kills Greek cav at New Dacca (12-5)
elite cav kills Persian cav at New Ganges (13-5)
rifle loses to Chinese rifle at New Jaipur (13-6)
cav kills Persian cav at New Ganges (14-6)
cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca and promotes elite (15-6)
phant army kills spear at Tenochtlian and destroys the town (16-6)
elite cav kills Aztec spear at Babylon (17-6)

IBT : we lose a spear against the intruding Chinese cav (17-7)
Delhi : cav -> cav
Ur : settler -> cav
Madras : rifle -> cav
Jaipur : cav -> cav

3) 1590AD : AAAAAAAAAAArrrrrrgghhhhhhh : elite cav loses against a redlined Persian cav at New Dacca (17-8) WTH is that ?
cav kills this stupid monster cav (18-8)
elite cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (19-8)
elite cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (20-8)
elite cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (21-8)
cav army kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (22-8)
cav army kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (23-8)
cav army kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (24-8)
elite cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (25-8)
cav kills Chinese cav at New Jaipur (26-8)
cav kills Chinese rifle at New Jaipur and promotes elite (27-8)

The Chinese have infantries ! That will be the reason Electricity dropped by 3 turns.

cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (28-8)

IBT : we kill a cav on defense (29-8)
Swordy Mountain : rifle -> cav
Chittagong : cav -> cav
Indus : cav -> cav
New Madras : lib -> iron clad
New Kolhapur : rifle -> rifle

4) 1595AD : found Madras2 : barracks
cav kills Greek cav at New Daccca (30-8)
elite cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (31-8)
elite cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (32-8)
elite cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (33-8)
elite cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (34-8)
lose cav to Chinese cav at New Dacca (34-9)
phant army kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (35-9)
phant army kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (36-9)
cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (37-9)
cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (38-9)
cav army kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (39-9)
cav army kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (40-9)
I cannot clear the area around Babylon, so we will be pillaged

IBT : we kill 3 units on defense (43-9)
we get a new part of our palace
the Greeks have so many wounded units on the way back from Babylon that the no one can enter that territory
China lands a cav at ellipi

5) 1600AD : cav kills Persian cav at New Ganges (44-9)
elite cav kills Persian cav at New Ganges (45-9)
elite cav kills Persian cav at New Ganges (46-9)
elite cav kills Persian cav at New Ganges (47-9)
phant army kills Greek cav at Babylon (48-9)
phant army kills Greek cav at Babylon (49-9)
cav army kills Chinese cav at ellipi (50-9)
elite rifle kills Chinese cav at New Ganges (51-9)

IBT : we kill 3 units on defense (54-9)
lose a worker stack, stupid me
Greeks land a rifle and cav at Ellipi
Electricity comes in -> RP in 22
Punjab : cav -> cav
Calcutta : Bank -> cav
New Calcutta : Courthouse -> rifle
New Lahore : cannon -> lib
New Chittagong : galleon -> galleon

6) 1605AD : cav kills Greek rifle at Ellipi (55-9)
cav kills Greek cav at Ellipi (56-9)
elite cav kills Persian cav at New Dacca (57-9)
elite cav kills Persian cav at New Dacca (58-9)
elite cav kills Greek cav at Capitol City (59-9)
elite cav kills Persian longbow at New Dacca (60-9)
cav kills Persian cav at New Ganges and promotes elite (61-9)
phant army kills Greek rifle at Babylon (62-9)

IBT : Greeks land a longbow at Pune
Greeks suicide 2 cavs at New Indus (64-9)

7) 1610AD : elite cav kills Persian cav at New Dacca (65-9)
elite cav kills Persian cav at New Dacca (66-9)
elite cav kills Greek rifle at Babylon (67-9)
cav kills Greek rifle at Babylon (68-9)
cav kills Greek cav at Babylon (69-9)
elite cav kills Greek cav at Babylon (70-9)
elite cav kills Greek cav at Babylon (71-9)

IBT : I am the dumbest nut around. I forgot about the Greek longbow and it takes Pune for this round (71-10)
Delhi : cav -> cav
Capitol City : barracks -> cav
Kolhapur : cav -> settler
2 units suicide on our defenses (73-10)

8) 1615AD : elite cav kills Persian cav at New Dacca (74-10)
elite cav kills Persian cav at New Dacca (75-10)
elite cav kills Persian cav at New Dacca (76-10)
elite cav kills Persian cav at New Dacca (77-10)
elite cav kills Greek cav at Babylon (78-10)
elite cav kills Chinese cav at Babylon (79-10)
cav take sback Pune (80-10)

IBT : kill 1 unit on defénse and lose 1 (81-11)
Lyons : cav -> settler
Madras : cav -> cav
Karachi : cav -> cav
Hyderabad : rifle -> rifle
Bengal : cav -> cav
Ganges : cav -> settler
Greeks start Universal Suffrage

9) 1620AD : elite cav kills Persian cav at New Ganges (82-11)
elite cav kills Persian cav at New Ganges (83-11)
elite cav kills Persian cav at New Ganges (84-11)
elite cav kills Greek cav at Babylon (85-11)
elite cav kills Greek cav at Babylon (86-11)
cav kills Greek cav at Babylon (87-11)
cav kills Persian cav at New Ganges (88-11)
cav kills Persian cav at New Dacca (89-11)
cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (90-11)
cav kills Persian cav at New Indus (91-11)
cav loses against Greek rifle at New Indus (91-12)

IBT : we kill 2 units on defense (93-12)
China lands 3 cavs at Ellipi
Bombay2 : barracks -> settler
Delhi2 : barracks -> settler
Swordy Mountain : cav -> rifle
Ganges riots, I dunno why, I checked the turn before and all cities were ok
New Jaipur : cav -> marketplace

10) 1625AD : elite cav kills Chinese cav at New Dacca (94-12)
cav kills Persian cav at New Ganges (95-12)
elite cav kills Persian cav at New Ganges (96-12)
elite cav kills Aztec knight at New Dacca (97-12)
cav kills Greek rifle at New Indus (98-12)
cav kills Chinese cav at Ellipi and promotes elite (99-12)
cav kills Chinese cav at Ellipi (100-12)
cav kills Chinese cav at Ellipi (101-12)
cav kills Chinese cav at New Indus (102-12)

I left a bunch of units unmoved. If it were a single game of mine I would go on the offensive now. You have a phant army, a cav army, 10 cannons and several single cavs still at your disposal. I think the cannons I used this turn to redline the invaders are enough to hold next turn, too. The last turns were quite relaxed and I could let the armies heal to full strength and they are now ready for some action.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Tupac02_1625AD.SAV

 

[markh]

Roster and a pic

tupaclives - UP
Lboogie13 - on deck
McLman
Markh - just played

 

[Lboogie13]

Good turnset markh. I see you were also a victim of the RNG. I still can't believe that stupid cav army fought so poorly. Oh well I'll get revenge!

I agree with markh about going on the offensive though.

 

[tupaclives]

I am having to be placed on indefinate skip. My civ computer wont even start up let alone play civ. Could be a false alarm... but then maybe not, we'll have to wait and see. For now place me on skip.

Suggest advertising for another play and waiting for a response, otherwise it might be too difficult to play with only 2.
Don't skip me just yet, give me the usual time frame, i might be able to get it fixed but we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Lboogie13]

We'll just give you time. We don't want to leave anyone behind and get someone new. We're a band of brothers in war!

 

[markh]

Take your time tupac. I am too old to be in a hurry.

 

[tupaclives]

Ok guys its all looking good, we explained to the lads at the shop that my assignment is due TODAY and they are working overtime to get it up and running. Should all work out. Looking at the pic the only thing I can find to fault is that Madras is in the wrong spot. It needs to move 1 tile SW to get the right rank. I'll pick it up and move it in my turnset. Hopefully will be able to play by saturday.

Consider this a got it