Turkish MOD - Turks as a playable civilization

[JohnnyFrost]

I think Tunc and civ army should work on a Turkish patch together.

THE ULTIMATE TURKISH PATCH : ))))))))))

 

[Tunch Khan]

Given the problem with the Turkish flag on some computers, I will change the flag on my next update. I also have a few other new features and at least one new leader under my sleeve. I will soon start a poll to chose the next Turkish leader in the main Creation & Cus. thread.

 

[LAnkou]

i have a question about your last patch:

apart from the new xml files for the sound, which xlm files did you modify? (i found leaderheadsinfos and civilizationsinfos in the civilization folder)

 

[Tunch Khan]

i have a question about your last patch:

apart from the new xml files for the sound, which xlm files did you modify? (i found leaderheadsinfos and civilizationsinfos in the civilization folder)

Assets/XML/Audio/AudioDefines
Assets/XML/Audio/Audio2DScripts
Assets/XML/Audio/Audio3DScripts
Assets/XML/Civilizations/Civ4LeaderHeadInfos

I am also going to release a new version with a new leader; a more stable flag; and a few minor add-ons in a couple of days.

 

[LAnkou]

too late i have added the changes, i will update it when you update...

 

[JohnnyFrost]

Given the problem with the Turkish flag on some computers, I will change the flag on my next update. I also have a few other new features and at least one new leader under my sleeve. I will soon start a poll to chose the next Turkish leader in the main Creation & Cus. thread.

I didnt post it two times

 

[JohnnyFrost]

Given the problem with the Turkish flag on some computers, I will change the flag on my next update. I also have a few other new features and at least one new leader under my sleeve. I will soon start a poll to chose the next Turkish leader in the main Creation & Cus. thread.

Great

 

[Tunch Khan]

The poll is up and running, waiting for you to cast your votes here.

 

[Tunch Khan]

The poll is not over yet, but it appears Osman Ghazi, Tamerlane and Roxalena are running to the front. Go give your favorites proper support.

 

[Tunch Khan]

The poll for the next leader in the upcoming upgrade to this mod has started to shape up a little. Osman, Timur and Hurrem are still the front runners.

 

[astrolord]

Is it possible to play Turkish mod in a real world map??? I am a new civ player and I couldnt find a real world map to play the Turks in the mod. By the way this is an amazing work..I really want to appreciate your work..Thanks for the pleasure of playing with the Turks...

 

[Tunch Khan]

Is it possible to play Turkish mod in a real world map??? I am a new civ player and I couldnt find a real world map to play the Turks in the mod. By the way this is an amazing work..I really want to appreciate your work..Thanks for the pleasure of playing with the Turks...

You will have to add them manually to the scenario you are playing. There are also some mods out there which have included the Turks and perhaps you can find a world map as well.

 

[alinurdengizich]

türkiye seninle gurur duyuyor!!!!=)
that's really great and i hope you will continue to improve it my bro!!!

 

[Azkonus]

Hi Tunch,

Here are some comments and questions about the mod:

Almost all cities are from Ottomans; why don’t you add : Samarkand, Tashkend, Bukhara, Merv for example.

Almost all of the leaders you chose are from Ottomans, besides Timur, which got the most criticism. Following are two stories regarding Timur:

In Sivas, mothers still call naughty boys as 'Timur’un dolu' (from Timur’s gene or sperm) when they really really pissed off. Those people still can not forget the bad things Timur the Lame had done to the city and people.

Secondly, in a Nasreddin Hoca (folkloric philosopher as you put it) story, people of the village asks help from the hoca because Timur treats them badly. (In the story they can not say Timur instead they say Elephants)

Please Hoca save us, save us from the elephants.
Please Hoca save us, save us from the elephants.

Remembered? If you didn’t, story goes like; hoca says ok but wants villagers to come with him, At the start of the trip all of them walking with hoca chatting and shouthing how the things gone bad since the arrival of Timur, all thankful to Hoca, but as time goes on with the thoughts of how severe Timur's response would be, they start to leave one by one. At the end when hoca reaches the presence of Timur, he turns his head and sees nobody is left behind. So he too can’t say anything and lefts.

I know you like Timur but please think this again.

By the way I voted for Hurrem . Choosing Alparslan, Oghuz, Nizam ul Mulk or (Kul Tigin, Bilge Khan) makes this more of a Turkish mode than just an Ottoman mode.

P.S. Keep up the good work

 

[Korpulu]

If I may. I would like to put forth Koprulu Mehmed or Ahmed for consideration.
I'm glad someone took the time and trouble to add the Turks. Kinross' The Ottoman Centuries has been one of my favorite books.

 

[Tunch Khan]

If I may. I would like to put forth Koprulu Mehmed or Ahmed for consideration.
I'm glad someone took the time and trouble to add the Turks. Kinross' The Ottoman Centuries has been one of my favorite books.

Lords of the Horizons by Jason Goodwin is another good reading on Ottoman Empire. The legacy and importance of the Koprulu Family cannot be denied, and I did consider their names while creating the poll. However I personally did not find it comfortable to add them, while other prominent figures were still missing.

 

[Korpulu]

I'll have to get that book. I think that they had a bigger impact overall than Roxelana. But who am I to judge. I voted for her myself

Just something about lady rulers

 

[Tunch Khan]

Almost all cities are from Ottomans; why don’t you add : Samarkand, Tashkend, Bukhara, Merv for example.

Actually all my cities are within the boundries of Republic of Turkey. I did consider your suggestions along with other Turkish cities such as Kerkuk and Baku and also a long list of cities which have been under Turkish rule for many centuries; Baghdad, Jerusalem, Damascus, Mecca, Cairo, Alexandria, Bairut, Salonika, Athens, Sophia, Tirana, Skopje, Bukharest, Sarajevo, Belgrade, Budapest, Odessa, Varna, Tiflis, Tebriz, Benghazi, Tunis, Algier and so forth. But some of those cities already exist under other civilizations and it's more fun to conquer them first and rename after.
I just tried to avoid infinite debates over the identities of those cities, yet I am still open to suggestions and if there's a demand I will reconsider them.
As per your city suggestion. I had compiled another long list of "Turkish" cities but wasn't sure how to implement it, since it slightly changes the flavor of the civilization. So the question arises here: if the capital is Istanbul, when is Samarkand founded and vice versa. Is it better to add them to the end of the list, for the sake of having them, or should we shuffle them?
Here is that longer list I mentioned:

Semerkand - Samarqand
Taskent - Tashkent
Buhara - Bukhara
Otuken
Horasan - Khorasan
Merv
Kasgar - Kashgar
Ordubalik
Saray Batu - Old Sarai
Karakurum
Besbalik
Astrahan - Astrakhan
Malazgirt - Manzikert
Ergenekon
Alamut
Herat
Gazne - Ghazni
Mezar-i Serif - Mazar-e Sharif
Harzem - Khorezm
Sirvan - Shirvan
Tebriz
Isfahan
Kandahar
Baku
Kerkuk
Meshed
Nishapur
Kabil - Kabul
Sincan - Senjan
Balkh
Kashmir
Derbent
Mahackale
Gence
Saray Berke - New Sarai
Shangdu - Xanadu
Yarkand
Almalik
Sehr-i Sebz - Shahrisabz
Ak Saray - Aq Sarai
Atrar - Otrar

and here is a list of remaining Turkish cities to be considered for an update, that are within the Turkish Republic boundries:

Nevsehir
Milas
Urfa
Kirklareli
Usak
Giresun
Gelibolu
Denizli
Ardahan
Balikesir
Aksaray
Sogut
Bilecik
Karahisar
Sakarya
Germiyan
Mentese
Nigde
Karamursel
Sivrihisar
Hereke
Hatay
Catalca
Golcuk
Saruhan
Karasi
Amasra
Eregli
Iskenderun
Kirsehir
Yozgat
Maras
Adiyaman
Gumushane
Tunceli
Beysehir
Bergama
Kastamonu
Ordu
Niksar
Cankiri
Tokat
Corum
Amasya
Alasehir
Vize

And here is the flaming list of Ottoman cities not included in the mod:

Asia :
Musul
Kerkuk
Baghdad
Sam - Damascus
Beyrut - Beiruth
Kudus - Jerusalem - Al Quds
Halep - Aleppo
Basra
Mekke - Mecca
Medina
Tebriz
Revan - Erevan
Tiflis - Tbilisi
Batum
Girne - Kyrenia
Lefkosa - Nicosia
Magosa - Famagusta
Yemen - Sanaa
Aden
Katar - Qatar
Gazze


Africa :
Kahire - Cairo
Iskenderiye - Alexandria
Trablusgarp - Tripoli
Bingazi - Benghazi
Tunus - Tunis
Cezayir - Algiers
Cerbe - Gerba
Oran
Derne Dernah
Fizan - Fezzan
Assab
Cibuti - Djibouti
Hartum - Khartoum
Habesh - Abyssinia
Berbera

Europe :
Selanik - Salonica - Thessaloniki
Kavala
Filibe - Philipopolis
Varna
Manastir - Bitola
Uskup - Skopje
Silistre
Nigbolu - Nicopolis
Kosova - Kosovo Polje
Yanya - Janina
Sofya - Sophia
Plevne - Plovdiv
Yenisehir - Larissa
Vodina - Edessa
Bukres - Bucharest
Kostence - Constanza
Atina - Athens
Tiran - Tirana
Nish
Vidin
Yenipazar - Novi Bazar
Bosnasaray - Sarajevo
Belgrad - Beograd
Temisvar - Novisad
Budin - Buda(pest)
Egri - Eger
Segedin - Szeged
Zigetvar - Szigetvar
Kanije
Estergon - Esztergom
Bihac
Mostar
Cetince - Cetinje
Orsova
Yas - Jassy
Hotin - Khotyn
Bender - Tighina
Akkerman - Bilhorod-Dnistrovs'kyi
Ismail - Izmayil
Bahcesaray
Akyar - Sebastopol
Kefe - Kaffa
Asaf - Azov
Yeni Dunya - Odessa
Yenikale - Kerch
Navarin - Pylos
Rodos
Kandiye - Candia
Serez
Iskece - Xanthi
Gumulcine - Komotini
Dedeagac - Alexandroupoli
Otranto - Taranto

The modest title of Ottoman Emperors:

Sovereign of The Osman Family, Sultan es Selatin (Sultan of Sultans), Khakhan (Khan of the Khans), Caliph of the Faithful, Servant of the Cities of Mecca, Medina and Kouds (Jerusalem), Padishas of The Three Cities of Istanbul (Constantinople), Edirne (Andrinople) and Bursa (Brousse), and of the Cities of Châm (Damascus) and Misr (Egypt), of all Azerbaijan, of Mägris, of Barkah, of Kairouan, of Alep, of Iraq, of Arabia and of Ajim, of Basra, of El Hasa, of Dilen, of Raka, of Mosul, of Parthia, of Diyarbakir, of Cilicia, of the Vilayets of Erzurum, of Sivas, of Adana, of Karaman, of Van, of Barbaria, of Habech (Abyssinia), of Tunisia, of Tyrabolos (Tripoli), of Châm (Damascus), of Kybris (Cyprus), of Rhodes, of Candia, of the Vilayet of Morea (Peloponnese), of Ak Deniz (Marmara Sea), of Kara Deniz (Black Sea), of Anatolia, of Rumelia (the European part of the Empire), of Bagdad, of Kurdistan, of Greece, of Turkestan, of Tartary, of Circassia, of the two regions of Kabarda, of Gorjestan (Georgia), of the plain of Kypshak, of the whole country of the Tartars (Ukraine), of Kefa (Crimea) and of all the neighbouring countries, of Bosnia and dependancies, of the City of Belgrade, of the Vilayet of Serf (Serbia), with all the castles and cities, of all the Arnaut Vilayet (Albania), of all Iflak (Rumania) and Bogdania (Moldova), as well as all the dependancies and borders, and many others countries and cities

Here is a link to the European Map of 1560for a better understanding of Ottoman world.

Almost all of the leaders you chose are from Ottomans, besides Timur, which got the most criticism. Following are two stories regarding Timur:

In Sivas, mothers still call naughty boys as 'Timur’un dolu' (from Timur’s gene or sperm) when they really really pissed off. Those people still can not forget the bad things Timur the Lame had done to the city and people.

Secondly, in a Nasreddin Hoca (folkloric philosopher as you put it) story, people of the village asks help from the hoca because Timur treats them badly. (In the story they can not say Timur instead they say Elephants)

Please Hoca save us, save us from the elephants.
Please Hoca save us, save us from the elephants.

Remembered? If you didn’t, story goes like; hoca says ok but wants villagers to come with him, At the start of the trip all of them walking with hoca chatting and shouthing how the things gone bad since the arrival of Timur, all thankful to Hoca, but as time goes on with the thoughts of how severe Timur's response would be, they start to leave one by one. At the end when hoca reaches the presence of Timur, he turns his head and sees nobody is left behind. So he too can’t say anything and lefts.

I know you like Timur but please think this again.

By the way I voted for Hurrem . Choosing Alparslan, Oghuz, Nizam ul Mulk or (Kul Tigin, Bilge Khan) makes this more of a Turkish mode than just an Ottoman mode.

P.S. Keep up the good work

Only 6 out of 12 suggestions were actually Ottoman, and I think with over 600 years of domination, the Family of Osman deserves such respect. Out of the remaining 6; one was the Mythical ruler of the Turks, Oghuz Khan; three belonged to the Seldjuk Era; one independant Turkish dynasty, the Timurids; and one candidate, Inonu belonged to the Republican period.

Timur might be a cruel tyrant, but that doesn't shadow the fact that he created a Turkish empire that was almost as large as Ottoman Empire and he managed to defeat all his opponents including Bayezid I, the Thunderbolt.

Hurrem Sultan / Roxalena is the winner of the poll with a few of the pollers stating in the thread, to have changed their votes from Osman to Hurrem after they have casted their votes. You can read the details in the related thread. I will start working on the next update as soon as there's a concencus on additional cities.

 

[Anima Croatorum]

Well, since you are taking the broader approach to the term Turkish, why not include a leader from one of the other Turkish nations, the Turkomans.

And who would be better than the Father of all Turkoman, the dearest of all Dear Leaders, the one and only Turkmenbashi:

 

[Tunch Khan]

Well, since you are taking the broader approach to the term Turkish, why not include a leader from one of the other Turkish nations, the Turkomans.

And who would be better than the Father of all Turkoman, the dearest of all Dear Leaders, the one and only Turkmenbashi:

I have been to Turkmenistan and met the Dear Leader in person. So I don't want to comment on him, but he won't be in my mod for short. And that is enough to say.