UA Elimination Thread

[apocalypse105]

Not quite, it is -3 now

Great Andean Road (Inca) (26)
Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (25)
Ancien Régime (France) (23) +1 = 24
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (20) - 3 = 17
Ingenuity (Babylon) (18)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (15)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (14)

There, fixed it for you

I changed it Myself I voted korea because it was to powerfull and that was agains the rules isn't it I change it look at my first post I thinx its good now I hope

 

[civ7]

Great Andean Road (Inca) (23)
Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (25)
Ancien Régime (France) (23)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (21)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (18)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (15)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (14)


Great Andean Road - marginal use
Scholars of the Jade Hall - good bonus for any play style

 

[El Caballerion]

Great Andean Road (Inca) (23)
Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (25)
Ancien Régime (France) (23)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (23) +2
Ingenuity (Babylon) (18)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (13) -2
Father Governs Children (Siam) (14)

PRO- KOREA: One of the best UA's on harder difficulty level when AI always seems to be a few technology levels ahead of you.

CON- ROME: I find that the capital, especially early on, is the main powerhouse for producing wonders. For Rome's UA to work, you need to have these buildings built in the capital first, meaning the capital is always building buildings and rarely wonders.

 

[ShahJahanII]

Every time the number of UA's left is halved, the number subtracted in each vote goes up by 1. So, at 12 UA's left it'll be -3, at 6 -4, and at 3 -5.

Let me make it clear, it is minus 3 now!!
The OP even says it!!

 

[Maniac]

Here's the corrected vote count:

Great Andean Road (Inca) (23)
Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (25)
Ancien Régime (France) (23)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (22)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (18)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (14)

 

[muhtesem insan]

the break-even point is 9 population.
You obviously can't have 50 size-3 cities, but they are excellent for / victories.

actually it's 6. In all of my games # of city unhappiness was less than half of #citizen unhappiness.

 

[TopGearFanatic]

The rules need to stop changing...

 

[ShahJahanII]

actually it's 6. In all of my games # of city unhappiness was less than half of #citizen unhappiness.

My bad, you are right.
This makes India better than I thought.

 

[basta]

Great Andean Road (Inca) (23)
Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (25)
Ancien Régime (France) (23)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (22)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (19)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (12)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (11)

Same vote as yesterday, same reasons.

 

[muhtesem insan]

Great Andean Road (Inca) (24) +1
Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (25)
Ancien Régime (France) (23)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (22)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (19)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (9)-3
Father Governs Children (Siam) (11)

Inca: You get more money and money always help. And double movement on hills are very effective.
Rome: all UA's left are really good. But i believe this one is slightly less good.

 

[ShahJahanII]

Great Andean Road (Inca) (24)
Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (25)
Ancien Régime (France) (23)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (23)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (19)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (6)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (11)

A bit weak
Same reason as before

 

[Maeltne]

Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (25)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (24)
+Ancien Régime (France) (24)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (23)
-Ingenuity (Babylon) (16)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (11)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (6)

Sames reason as before

 

[Bezurn]

Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (26)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (21)
Ancien Régime (France) (24)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (23)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (16)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (11)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (6)

(+) Persia : 10% Combat strength and one extra movement make warfare during a golden age very nice. Also given a double length golden age duration (or 2.5 - 3x with Chichen Itza or / and Freedom Finisher) you can pop great person after great person for endless mop up duty on easy mode.

(-) Inca : Useful for hills no doubt, but a forested area still limits mobility (not sure on a forested hill, my guess is yes). Upkeep reduction is nice, but again if your cities / puppets are in generally flat lands this won't make too much of a difference. If playing without start bias and the map is generally flat this UA suffers a lot.

 

[TheLohoped]

Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (27) +1
Great Andean Road (Inca) (21)
Ancien Régime (France) (24)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (23)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (16)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (11)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (3) -3

Persia: Incredible bonuses during GA. Increased GA lenght turns Persia into unstoppable warmachine!
Rome: A bit weak compared to others.

 

[garjust]

Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (27)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (18) -3
Ancien Régime (France) (24)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (23)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (16)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (11)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (4) +1

Incan UA is map situational, and any map situational UA loses out to one which is not

Vote for Rome to keep them around . I seem to find myself usually spamming out lots of early warriors in Rome while there are not many buildings to build. From this point I don't have issues building core buildings as well as wonders.

Still, while this UA is not map situational, it is certainly dependent on the play/win style you are going for unlike several others

 

[Maniac]

Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (28) +1
Great Andean Road (Inca) (18)
Ancien Régime (France) (21) -3
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (23)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (16)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (11)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (4)

Persia: 10% Combat strength and one extra movement make warfare during a golden age very nice.
France: bonus is too passive

 

[chgrogers]

Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (29) +1
Great Andean Road (Inca) (18)
Ancien Régime (France) (21)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (23)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (16)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (11)
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (1) -3

The Glory of Rome: Very useful for getting building built but forces Rome to almost build every situational building increasing maintenance costs

Achaemenid Legacy +1 Movement & 10% combat during golden ages increases your Options when fighting a war.

 

[CIV5SUCKS]

Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (29)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (18)
Ancien Régime (France) (21)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (23)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (16)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (12) +1
The Glory of Rome (Rome) (0) -3 *ELIMINATED*

Siam is arguably the most rounded civ of all. Their UA is excellent for all of the victory conditions, supporting the pop needed for a science and culture victory and the culture needed for a cultural victory as well. It is overall a very good UA and I'm surprised it isn't doing better. The 50% of food and culture adds up to a lot.

 

[ShahJahanII]

Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (29)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (14)
Ancien Régime (France) (21)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (24)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (16)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (12)

I won't deny that this is an awesome trait, but it is my least favorite of the ones shown here.
Same reasons as before.
It is -4 now

 

[civ7]

Achaemenid Legacy (Persia) (25)
Great Andean Road (Inca) (14)
Ancien Régime (France) (21)
Scholars of the Jade Hall (Korea) (25)
Ingenuity (Babylon) (16)
Father Governs Children (Siam) (12)

Same reason as before
Only useful for war basically.