Ultimate Wishlist for Civ6 Wonders

[Morningcalm]

So again I have to ask what the bonuses would be--some bridges have tolls, many, like the Pont du Rialto, do not (also the Golden Gate Bridge did not charge visitors on foot last I checked; just motor vehicles). Many bridge wonders suggested above are simply pretty bridges with some history; hardly the tourist draws like the Pyramids or Statue of Liberty for example. The best bonuses I can think of them for them would be Great Engineer point generation; hardly something awesome. There are plenty of actual world wonders that have more history and more to them than just nice statuary decoration.

 

[Kimiimaro]

So again I have to ask what the bonuses would be--some bridges have tolls, many, like the Pont du Rialto, do not (also the Golden Gate Bridge did not charge visitors on foot last I checked; just motor vehicles). Many bridge wonders suggested above are simply pretty bridges with some history; hardly the tourist draws like the Pyramids or Statue of Liberty for example. The best bonuses I can think of them for them would be Great Engineer point generation; hardly something awesome. There are plenty of actual world wonders that have more history and more to them than just nice statuary decoration.

On the other way, we have dams on this list. And dams aren't exactly something I'd call wonder. I doubt that lot of people go visit China to see the Three Gorges Dam. Same with the US and Hoover Dam. However, people go to Prague to see the Charles Bridge, since it's one of the biggest tourist attractions that Prague can offer. And I can imagine that lots of tourists go to look at the Tower Bridge when they visit London. Same with the Golden Gate Bridge and San Francisco. To be honest, I can't think of many bonuses for such bridge wonder right now, but the great engineer points bonus is actually quite interesting idea.

 

[Siptah]

Bridges give money, trade bonuses, movement bonuses. These seem rather obvious. Less obvious are culture, production and science. You are welcome.
Many wonders don't need tickets, like most churches, many museums and old towns of cities. This shouldn't be a criteria. Bridges are iconic, famous and a hallmark of architecture and construction.
Other wonders don't get evaluated or questioned here, why bridges and the pont du gard? Many items on the list that I've been to are no wonders imho. They are great, but no wonders. There is also an overemphasis on modern tourist attractions instead of historically important buildings. Of course, many fall in both categories.
Just my 8¥.

 

[Xandinho]

Golden Gate Bridge and Itaipu Dam were ranked among the 7 wonders of the modern world by the American Society of Civil Engineers, along with the Panama Canal, in which they claim to be the greatest civil engineering achievements of the twentieth century. Although I can not imagine how these structures will be placed on the map.

 

[Siptah]

I live around 200m from the oldest still standing wooden bridge. It's not a wonder, but a major tourist attraction - especially for Chinese and Indian people that come in the thousands each day to take the same photo. Interesting for this bridge: it is part of the city wall and would allow a defensive bonus as well.

 

[Roman Citizen]

I've look at your lists and it is impressive, but I got two suggestions the Tomb of Khai Dinh and the Krakow Cloth Hall.

 

[Xandinho]

Ok, I tried to think of how to put them, let's go: :

Dams can be placed on a tile adjacent to a river, they may be granting huge production bonuses to nearby cities. I think the game does not have to obey the exact rules of dams placement of the real life .

Bridges can be placed in a water tile that is surrounded by 2 or more earthen tiles. A lake of a tile would be a place of placement, the same requirements of Huey Teocalli. Bridges also be placed connecting the mainland to an island that are separated by a water tile. I do not think bridges have major placement problems. They can grant trade and movement bonuses.

Canals really are a problem. They can be placed on a tile that is separating two large lakes or even oceans, ensuring the movement of military and commercial ships across the canal. I think it's a difficult place to find.

I'm ok with dams, bridges and even canals like wonders, especially since they could be well worked as industrial and commercials wonders of end game. It would be interesting to destroy them to harm of production of the enemy civs.

 

[Morningcalm]

To reply to the above generally:

Many bridges are marvelous yes, but not worthy of world wonder status IMO. Maybe giant bridges like the Golden Gate would be fine in some Civ game in the future, but to have them replace wonder slots that could go towards more historically important churches, cathedrals, palaces, temples, mosques seems like the wrong prioritization. Many bridges (again, there may be exceptions) are not as big on drawing tourists or trade compared to say the Pyramids.

As for the ticketing issue, consider that most famous wonders do require tickets, including museums like the Louvre. I raised ticketing as an example of how bridges don't generate money as such from tourists. Maybe indirectly (I.e. Speeding commerce), but regular roads and highways serve that purpose too. Churches and cathedrals raised much money from relics and pilgrimages in the medieval era. Bridges not as much.

Dams at least are a rare entry in Civ, and generally I think we could agree Three Gorges was a more massive undertaking than most of the budge wonders suggested. And given that Civ IV had a mechanic revolving around generation of electrical power, at least Three Gorges served to link to that gameplay mechanic. In Civ VI the only thing I can see bridge wonders doing is making players annoyed at yet another specific terrain designation for a wonder.

I think of the functional wonders suggested thus far the Panama Canal makes the most sense.

 

[Siptah]

It's a wishlist. And I think so far Guandao accepted almost all suggestions. Some people suggest bridges, so let's include them. Not every palace or religious building is wonder, but they all made it on the list. Debating worthiness of so many buildings seems a pointless effort. Since it is a wishlist, I'd prefer to include everything someone wants to have. As I said before, there are many items on the list that I wouldn't consider a wonder - but I'm okay with it for that ultimate list.
Buildings like the Basilica of Volubilis are nice (even if the name is wrong), but for me certainly not a world wonder. It survived long enough in some state to be a tourist attraction (that goes for the whole city). But if you look at it from a historical perspective, it's not that special a city and it didn't have really famous buildings when it was used. That's just one example of at least 30 I've been to and don't consider wonders. But again, if someone wants to have it... and Firaxis did use wonders like that, for example (Berlin's) Ishtar Gate.

 

[conorbebe]

But if suggestions aren't filtered, then surely every human structure under the Sun could theoretically make it onto this list. With my suggestions, I tried to pick buildings and monuments that were visually-impressive, iconic or famous, historically/politically/scientifically significant, considerable-enough in size, and distinct in design (as to set them apart from other structures of a similar type that would be more fitting as District building replacements).

On top of this, they should also be practical as well. I don't see how bridges and dams can be implemented into Civ VI as Wonders. I don't doubt that there are many bridges which tick all the boxes that I mentioned above, but in terms of whether they can actually work in-game, the answer for the time being is no.

 

[Siptah]

But if suggestions aren't filtered, then surely every human structure under the Sun could theoretically make it onto this list. With my suggestions, I tried to pick buildings and monuments that were visually-impressive, iconic or famous, historically/politically/scientifically significant, considerable-enough in size, and distinct in design (as to set them apart from other structures of a similar type that would be more fitting as District building replacements).

And this I think is the best filter for such a task: the suggestions have the be made with care and according to personal taste and knowledge. I don't think I've read any completely rudiculous choices yet.
Edit: glad to see that Guandao accepted bridges.
Edit 2: some more wishes:

Tsaparang
Tashi Lhunpo Monastery
Swayambhunath
Pashupatinath
Nyatapola Temple (or the whole Durbar Square of Bhaktapur)
Naqsh e Jahan
Nasir ol Molk
Jame Mosque of Yazd
Koutoubia
Eanna District
Elbphilharmonie
Harpa
Gotthard Tunnel (or Gotthard Base Tunnel)
Abbey of St. Gall
Grote Markt of Bruges
Markthal Rotterdam
Het-ka-Ptah
Mortuary Temple of Seti I (the one in Abydos, I'm not sure if @Xandinho meant this one or the one in Thebes, which is not a wonder imho)
Pergamon Akropolis

 

[Xandinho]

Come on, guys. We have more than 100 European structures in the list and we still do not fill the first post, we still have 3 more posts to fill with European structures, the same for Asia. So we have plenty of room to fill in yet. There are many structures on the list that I would not call wonders, but we may think that some structures are interesting in some way or carry some singularity, such as the Saint Peter and Paul Cathedral in Paramaribo, which is the largest wooden structure in the Western Hemisphere, and distinct enough from other cathedrals on the continent. In addition, Civ6 has included structures that are not in the common concept of wonders such as the Ruhr Valley and the Estádio do Maracanã, and in previous editions we had the Pentagon and the United Nations building.

It is normal that the measure we are suggesting, the level of structures are falling, the best names always come first in our minds.

Mortuary Temple of Seti I (the one in Abydos, I'm not sure if @Xandinho meant this one or the one in Thebes, which is not a wonder imho)

I was thinking of Thebes, but the temple in Abydos really does look more impressive.

 

[Guandao]

And this I think is the best filter for such a task: the suggestions have the be made with care and according to personal taste and knowledge. I don't think I've read any completely rudiculous choices yet.
Edit: glad to see that Guandao accepted bridges.
Edit 2: some more wishes:

Tsaparang
Tashi Lhunpo Monastery
Swayambhunath
Pashupatinath
Nyatapola Temple (or the whole Durbar Square of Bhaktapur)
Naqsh e Jahan
Nasir ol Molk
Jame Mosque of Yazd
Koutoubia
Eanna District
Elbphilharmonie
Harpa
Gotthard Tunnel (or Gotthard Base Tunnel)
Abbey of St. Gall
Grote Markt of Bruges
Markthal Rotterdam
Het-ka-Ptah
Mortuary Temple of Seti I (the one in Abydos, I'm not sure if @Xandinho meant this one or the one in Thebes, which is not a wonder imho)
Pergamon Akropolis

What is the Het-ka-Ptah? I'm having trouble googling it. It's the origin of the name Egypt, but is it a specific temple?
Swayambhunath and Koutoubia are already on the list.

 

[Siptah]

It's the great temple of Ptah in Memphis.

What is the Het-ka-Ptah? I'm having trouble googling it. It's the origin of the name Egypt, but is it a specific temple?
Swayambhunath and Koutoubia are already on the list.

 

[Winged Hussar]

We have plenty of district-specific and terrain-specific wonders. I'd love more "resource specific" wonders, similar to cattle/Great Zimbabwe, or stone/Stonehenge, but perhaps going further and being required to place the wonder exactly on the given resource. If you build the wonder you'd get a usual wonder-specific reward, but you'd also keep the resource, and perhaps the city center would gain the entire "improved" worth of the resource tile.

Totally biased example: Wieliczka Salt Mine - must be built on an improved salt resource, provides +2 faith, unit heals automatically when it spends one turn on the tile, provides the entire "improved" tile's worth to the city center.

 

[Guandao]

I went through the entire World Heritage Sites list, and jotted down potential wonders. It includes a lot of cathedrals.
I will add them once I go through the Tentative Site list.

 

[IgorS]

There is a little mistake with the stave church wonder. It is supposed to be the Heddal Stave Church (with two D's).

 

[Siptah]

Some wonders from antiquity that appeared on wonder lists there, but didn't make Antipatros' list:
(while looking for this, I noticed how horribly wrong online encyclopedias can be when not being reviewed. Confusing the two Philo of Byzantium and turning the complete story upside down... or claiming that the work of Herodotus is lost to us.)

Walls of Babylon (where on his list at first, but destroyed and thus replaced with the Pharos)
Altar of Artemis on Delos
Hadrian's Temple of Zeus in Cyzicus
Capitol in Rome (on the list already?)
Egyptian Labyrinth (which is actually the Mortuary Temple of Amenemhet III in Hawara)

 

[conorbebe]

Walls of Babylon would be more fitting as a unique infrastructure if Babylonia is ever added as a civ.

 

[Siptah]

Walls of Babylon would be more fitting as a unique infrastructure if Babylonia is ever added as a civ.

Seems not unlikely, even if I'd prefer a chaldaeic Observatorium or something...
We could add the unique Walls of Hattusa instead A truly fascinating architectural work with lots of great ideas.