UN imposes sanctions on Iran.

[Neomega]

Force works when its overwhelming. If the leaders of Iran or NK or any other despotic nation thought the UN could or would actualy remove them from their cushy place they would take sanctions and resolutions seriously. Knowing nothing will happen to them they don't care. I'm suggesting the goverment of Iran and NK will only respect having their personal lives but directly in harms way. Are you suggesting that talks and resolutions and empty threats have swayed any despotic/tryanical leader to play by the rules?

the entire hypocrisy of this position, both in Iraq, and possibly in Iran, is we are willing to kill hundreds of thousands of people, to stop other nations from maybe, maybe killing hundreds of thousands of out people, sometime possibly in the future.

We do to one nation, what we are afraid will be done to us.

Our actions make us the nation to be truly feared, and the actual instigators of genocide.

 

[GenMarshall]

You think that would save you?

If we attack Iran, the world will get intensely more scary.

Well which is a better situation. Letting the extrimeists from getting their hands on a nuclear weapon to use against us and our allies? Or taking action to prevent them from getting nukes and thus preventing them from using the nukes against us?

 

[JohnRM]

I wish Iran had nukes. Then I wouldn't have to worry about America doing something stupid like bombing them.

Statements like this continually point out to me that a war is indeed coming. You people are the Neville Chamberlains of your time and we are Winston Churchill. Sadly, it will take a huge disaster in order to shut you up.

 

[JohnRM]

All nations have the right to a peaceful nuclear power program.

That's right, India included, yet I never seem to find a lack of liberals criticizing American partnership with India on its nuclear energy program.

 

[Neomega]

Well which is a better situation. Letting the extrimeists from getting their hands on a nuclear weapon to use against us and our allies?

Nuclear weapons are geo-political tools, and guarantees of solvency.

Or taking action to prevent them from getting nukes and thus preventing them from using the nukes against us?

Killing thousands to prevent the possible killing of thousands of us?

Isn't that what Iraq was all about?

Should we convict a people before the crime was commited?

What is wrong with fair diplomacy and trade? Would our allies ever nuke us? Why did ahmedinijad gain power? What happened to the democratic student movement that was rising before we invaded Iraq?

What happened?


Did Osasma Bin Laden's attack on the twin towers reduce American presence in the Middle east as he thought it would?

Aggressive war does not make things better.

 

[GenMarshall]

What is wrong with fair diplomacy and trade?

Diplomacy and trade can only go so far.

Aggressive war does not make things better.

If diplomcay and trade fails, than aggressive war is the only answer.

 

[Neomega]

Statements like this continually point out to me that a war is indeed coming. You people are the Neville Chamberlains of your time and we are Winston Churchill. Sadly, it will take a huge disaster in order to shut you up.

Iran has not invaded any countries in hundreds of years.

The only Neville Chamberlains will be the countrues who sit idly by when America attacks Iran.

Consider Afghanistan Czechoslavakia and Iraq Poland.

 

[Neomega]

Diplomacy and trade can only go so far.


If diplomcay and trade fails, than aggressive war is the only answer.

And how far has our diplomacy and trade gone with Iran?

Demands that they stop building facilites that might be used to make weapons, and invading the neighbor next door.

If aggressive war is the only answer, than what was the crime of the Japanese against America? was the attack on pearl harbor justified?

 

[Xenocrates]

Actually it was Chamberlain that started British rearmament and Churchill who was mesmerised by German socialism. Not kidding.

Anyway I think we should rename Iran 'domino no. 3' in this World War that Blair and Bush have started. We all assume that this war is about Iran; it's not. It's about China and India and stopping them from getting the oil that they so need.

And where's the evidence that they have a nuclear arms programme? There is none, even the CIA admit that. Even Bush and Blair haven't seen fit to fabricate any. They must think we are teh suxors.

Where was the evidence that Osama organised 9/11? Where was the evidence that Iraq had WMD's? It's all nonsense.

 

[JohnRM]

Iran has not invaded any countries in hundreds of years.

The only Neville Chamberlains will be the countrues who sit idly by when America attacks Iran.

Consider Afghanistan Czechoslavakia and Iraq Poland.

No, Iran has not invaded any countries in hundreds of years, you're right. Nevermind that they are single largest terror-sponsoring state in the world.

You know what, it doesn't matter. I no longer care about the details. I don't care about reasons, history, or who did what to whom. All that I care about is that there are people in this world that hate us and want to kill us. If you are one of those people who want to placate, appease, or otherwise support them, I can't say that I wish much for your health.

 

[Cannae]

that they are single largest terror-sponsoring state in the world.

Proof of this please?

 

[GenMarshall]

And how far has our diplomacy and trade gone with Iran?

They have gone no where, especialy with sanctions and embargos placed on Iran.

Demands that they stop building facilites that might be used to make weapons, and invading the neighbor next door.

This would not stop them from using preexisting buildings to use as facilities to secretly make nukes.

 

[JohnRM]

Proof of this please?

You see, I don't care whether you believe or agree with me. Save it for someone else with a desperate need for confirmation of his or her self-worth and intellectual prowess.

 

[Neomega]

They have gone no where, especialy with sanctions and embargos placed on Iran.

Why should they. Why should Iran give up it's ability to defend itself from attack by the Untied States. remember, Bush called Iran "evil" before Ahmedinjad called the US "satanic".

This would not stop them from using preexisting buildings to use as facilities to secretly make nukes.

what I was saying was that was the extent of our diplomacy.

 

[Neomega]

You know what, it doesn't matter. I no longer care about the details. I don't care about reasons, history, or who did what to whom.

Yeah, I know. People who like war rarely do.

All that I care about is that there are people in this world that hate us and want to kill us.

Because they know there are people in the world, like you, who hate them, and want to kill them, regardless of details, reason, or history.

If you are one of those people who want to placate, appease, or otherwise support them, I can't say that I wish much for your health.

I don't, I want to treat them like partners on the world stage, and a nation of 70 million human beings, in the noble cause of peace and prosperity.

 

[GenMarshall]

Why should they. Why should Iran give up it's ability to defend itself from attack by the Untied States. remember, Bush called Iran "evil" before Ahmedinjad called the US "satanic".

IIRC, It was after 1970s Iranian Revolution that the Iranian extrimeist called the US "Santanic".

Khomeini is quoted as saying on November 5, 1979, "[Americans] are the great Satan, the wounded snake." During and after the Iranian Revolution similar appellations (to "The Great Satan") were used for the Western World and to a lesser extent the Soviet Union, which was labeled as the Small Satan. Israel is these days sometimes depicted as "The Little Satan".

 

[Neomega]

IIRC, It was after 1970s Iranian Revolution that the Iranian extrimeist called the US "Santanic".

Khomeini is quoted as saying on November 5, 1979, "[Americans] are the great Satan, the wounded snake." During and after the Iranian Revolution similar appellations (to "The Great Satan") were used for the Western World and to a lesser extent the Soviet Union, which was labeled as the Small Satan. Israel is these days sometimes depicted as "The Little Satan".

Ok fine, Kruchev said he would bury America. Words are words.

How many neighbors of America has Iran invaded?

Does it look like Iran, at the moment, is making any moves towards world military domination, like Germany in WW II? How many ports has Iran bombed?


Should we convict a people before the crime was commited?

What is wrong with fair diplomacy and trade? Would our allies ever nuke us? Why did ahmedinijad gain power? What happened to the democratic student movement that was rising before we invaded Iraq?

What happened?

 

[Stylesjl]

Meh so what if Iran wants a nuke? The minute they detonate one, their rotten little reigme will be toast

I don't think Iran will use a nuke to attack anybody, they'll just use it to garuantee they can't be invaded

 

[silver 2039]

Have these reseloutions acually been voted on or passed or are they still on the table? Because I doubt China and Russia would allow them to go through not when they have vested intreasts in Iran in their oil, and both have been aiding Iran's nuclear program Russia in particular, and China sells Iran a great deal of weaponry, indeed China is one of the prominent suppliers of cheap weaponry to the Middle East.

And I seen no reason why Iran should not have nuclear weapons when we allow nations like Pakistan them. Iran is a far more stable and democratic state than Pakistan, the President may rave about various things but in reality he is a figurehead the real power lies with the council of clerics and Grand Aythollah Khameni.

I am no more disturbed by Iran having nuclear weapons than by Pakistan having it. At any rate from a realistic point of view there is really nothing the US or any other nation including Israel can do. Bombing Iran would merely serve to start a widespread war in the area as Iran retaliated against US in Iraq, Afghanistan, Persian Gulf, and Turkmenistan, and against Israel using Hezbollah. A military option would create a massive mess that would sorely damage the intreasts of the West. So its not a matter of if Iran should have nuclear weapons. Its a matter of when Iran will have nuclear and weapons.

 

[JohnRM]

Ok fine, Kruchev said he would bury America. Words are words.

How many neighbors of America has Iran invaded?

Yeah, then Khrushchev put several dozen ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads about 90 miles off of the coast of Florida, within reach of just about every city within the continental United States.

Not a very good example to use in this case.


And, I don't feel that invading any particular neighbor of any particular nation is a qualification for being among the bad guys. To assert otherwise is simply nonsense.