Iran, the Red Sea, and the West (tm).
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Klaus Hergersheimer
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Well it's like Putin's Russia v. Ukraine; or even Hussein's Iraq v. Kuwait: what does it even mean? That the chief instigator of the violence (and I do mean, the violence which began on Oct. 7 2023) is still left standing is probably seen as a victory in his book. Such personalities tend to totalize the entire conflict around their own ambitions, where their own personal survival is also the survival of their ultimate goals.
Israel and Iran are still left standing, so in the broadest sense imaginable, to me it's an inconclusive fight. And my guess is it will be an ongoing fight between Israel's [and maybe the US's but I don't know for sure] ability to blow up the uranium sites, versus, Iran's ability to keep rebuilding them in lieu of both protecting their population and quashing any discontent among them. Iran I imagine is running its own calculus too: if they can create the perception that their uranium program is not finished without enemy ground activity able to verify it, they can keep the West guessing and guessing, creating discontent among their own people about this whole thing being a waste of time. But of course, all this is still determined by the Ayatollah's ability to live another 10+ years.
My own view is that this hunting expedition from the air is an inevitable statis without ground-based attacks. I've seen it over and over again in Mideast affairs: lob missiles, call it a night. And as a Westerner, we instead ought to be doing everything imaginable to promote the opposition to the Iranian government. If a Kurd group wants to separate, help them separate, if someone wants to flee help them escape, anything to isolate the power structure in the capital.
Anyway just a bit of dictator psychology analysis...
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Klaus Hergersheimer
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was I barking up the wrong tree with that one? oops.
saamohod
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On 12 June 2025, dozens of anonymous y Twitter accounts advocating Scottish independence abruptly went silent. Many had posted hundreds of times per week, often using pro-independence slogans, anti-UK messaging, and identity cues like “NHS nurse” or “Glaswegian socialist.”
Their sudden disappearance coincided with a major Israeli airstrike campaign against Iranian military and cyber infrastructure. Within days, Iran had suffered severe power outages, fuel shortages, and an internet blackout affecting 95 percent of national connectivity.
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Their sudden disappearance coincided with a major Israeli airstrike campaign against Iranian military and cyber infrastructure. Within days, Iran had suffered severe power outages, fuel shortages, and an internet blackout affecting 95 percent of national connectivity.
Dozens of pro-Indy accounts go dark after Israeli strikes
The sudden silence of dozens of pro-independence X accounts on 12 June 2025 coincided with Israeli air and cyber strikes targeting Iranian military and communications infrastructure.
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Thorgalaeg
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It is a well known fact that sececionist movements, ultranationalists, anti-EU and extreme right/left parties are supported (not only by Twitter but financially) by the likes of Iran, China and Russia. The goal is to destabilize, divide, provoke political turmoil and ultimately weaken Europe. Of course there are a lot of useful fools in Europe happy to play the game, we have some nice examples in this forum. IMO they all should move to Iran to at least get some internal consistency.
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r16
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600 US gallons drop tank used on F-15s . Found on the Caspian coast of Iran . Reportedly dropped to avoid SAMs . People are getting vocal about there is no proof that Israeli jets actually flew over Iran . With increasing numbers of big drone wreckages being recovered from the rural areas . This will be very negative for some vibe hence the thing about evil people supporting European weak minded people .
Thorgalaeg
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I didnt say evil, i did say fools. And If anything, the tank thing proves Israeli fighters flew over Iran (not that any kind of further proof is needed anyway). Reportedly, in very long range missions like the ones performed by the IAF over Iran empty fuel tanks are dropped in the returning leg to increase range, that is much more common than the SAM thing vocal people´reported´. And yes, frustrated people always get vocal.
Senethro
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On 12 June 2025, dozens of anonymous y Twitter accounts advocating Scottish independence abruptly went silent. Many had posted hundreds of times per week, often using pro-independence slogans, anti-UK messaging, and identity cues like “NHS nurse” or “Glaswegian socialist.”
Their sudden disappearance coincided with a major Israeli airstrike campaign against Iranian military and cyber infrastructure. Within days, Iran had suffered severe power outages, fuel shortages, and an internet blackout affecting 95 percent of national connectivity.
Dozens of pro-Indy accounts go dark after Israeli strikes
The sudden silence of dozens of pro-independence X accounts on 12 June 2025 coincided with Israeli air and cyber strikes targeting Iranian military and communications infrastructure.
Ah. Yes. A publication noone has ever heard of, by people noone has ever heard of, claiming to be impartial and of no political affiliation and having no clear business model.
r16
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p-51s went to war with max fuel , dropped their tanks before engaging . They dropped so many that cardboard tanks were developed so that Germans couldn't recycle Allied drop tanks into Luftwaffe fighters . ı would drop tanks even before getting in a strafing run .
but the drop tank is no proof that an Israeli F-15 took off from Israel , overflew Syria and Iraq , penetrated Western Iran , reached Caspian (and that would be a valid thing , decreasing exposure) and returned the same way . It equally makes sense to take off from Azerbeycan and lob missiles to Tahran . The drop tank was found at 100 kilometers or miles north of the Iranian capital .
screenshot 3 or 4 times , here is what you are arguing about .
natanz doubtful if destroyed , 80 TEL trucks doubtful if hit ? The impression of controlling the sky over Tahran ; that's what the Airforce Commander of Israel wants . Anyone who says no Israeli jets is an enemy , hence the same anyone becomes enemy in online stuff .
but the drop tank is no proof that an Israeli F-15 took off from Israel , overflew Syria and Iraq , penetrated Western Iran , reached Caspian (and that would be a valid thing , decreasing exposure) and returned the same way . It equally makes sense to take off from Azerbeycan and lob missiles to Tahran . The drop tank was found at 100 kilometers or miles north of the Iranian capital .
screenshot 3 or 4 times , here is what you are arguing about .
natanz doubtful if destroyed , 80 TEL trucks doubtful if hit ? The impression of controlling the sky over Tahran ; that's what the Airforce Commander of Israel wants . Anyone who says no Israeli jets is an enemy , hence the same anyone becomes enemy in online stuff .
Thorgalaeg
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I would say he is an enemy of reality. 
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a whole country is fighting on with the hope that there will be an intervention , someday . That will be strongly rejected and so on . There is the chance that they might ask for a ceasefire on disadvantageous terms if it was down to trickling of supplies just enough to keep them fighting and bleeding in return . That will be strongly rejected and so on . An intervention depends on mighty unstoppable invincible airpower . Pickaxe Mountain just by the Natanz facility is the new likely location and B-2s can not officially touch it . Nobody should doubt and question Western airpower . Certainly not the yehova chosen Israeli airpower . That is the reality .
Ordnael
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Me thinks the propaganda troop should focus on far reaching platforms. Your handlers are dispersing valuable time/bandwidth resources here on CFC.
We either don't care, can't do anything about it, are too small, are too nerd about other stuff (like, you know the titular game that gives this place it's name) reality as desensitised us about stuff that escapes our control (hence the civ nerds centre), etcetera.
Anyways go plague Roblox or something the kids are into nowadays, I am sure if you try hard you can still groom them to the propaganda you parrot, just remember their reflexes haven't reached their prime whilst yours are on their decline so winning against them might be hard. I wish you well.
We either don't care, can't do anything about it, are too small, are too nerd about other stuff (like, you know the titular game that gives this place it's name) reality as desensitised us about stuff that escapes our control (hence the civ nerds centre), etcetera.
Anyways go plague Roblox or something the kids are into nowadays, I am sure if you try hard you can still groom them to the propaganda you parrot, just remember their reflexes haven't reached their prime whilst yours are on their decline so winning against them might be hard. I wish you well.
r16
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the value of CFC can be gauged by the effort the non-Russian , non-Iranian propaganda outlets spend here
basically without basic information on whom they are supposed to impress or more pertinently influence in certain places
if you go back a few pages here or in some other thread you will encounter the notion of foreigners with broken Turkish talking about good health and whatnot of Lord Vader . This was about the time they discovered they were hitting a lot decoy launchers and this thing has been a priority for Western air arms to develop and field since 1991 when certain non-USAF outlets have doubted the so great , so impressive USAF kill claims against SCUD launchers . It is in view of this , people in the big city nearby have made an 180 within two hours . First ı was a supporter of Israel . When high school kids with basic English claimed the post didn't look like that way , it turns out it has been me who fought Israel to a standstill . Makes me a target for Iranians , too , after the Mr. A affair when city was talking about 8 or more people were flown in from France for some reason but not me
try braking on the idea that you must be righteous , others are trolls , and boomer is a phrase that would work on r16 . People might start to get ideas about you instead
am quite happy with what ı have .
basically without basic information on whom they are supposed to impress or more pertinently influence in certain places
if you go back a few pages here or in some other thread you will encounter the notion of foreigners with broken Turkish talking about good health and whatnot of Lord Vader . This was about the time they discovered they were hitting a lot decoy launchers and this thing has been a priority for Western air arms to develop and field since 1991 when certain non-USAF outlets have doubted the so great , so impressive USAF kill claims against SCUD launchers . It is in view of this , people in the big city nearby have made an 180 within two hours . First ı was a supporter of Israel . When high school kids with basic English claimed the post didn't look like that way , it turns out it has been me who fought Israel to a standstill . Makes me a target for Iranians , too , after the Mr. A affair when city was talking about 8 or more people were flown in from France for some reason but not me
try braking on the idea that you must be righteous , others are trolls , and boomer is a phrase that would work on r16 . People might start to get ideas about you instead
am quite happy with what ı have .
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