That’s nothing thorgalaeg, Israel also has a secret space laser that actually destroyed the World Trade Center on 9/11. It’s classic stuff really! They’re probably already smacking asteroids into alien planets we don’t even know about. Who cares about some lousy missiles?
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Thorgalaeg
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Well, Israel has its own ICBM which is pretty capable (talking about outer space, they even base their space program launcher on it), and a multi-layered AD nobody else in the world have, much less Russia. That is the reality. You can make your meaningless jokes to confront such reality as you apparently find it unbearable, Inno has built his own foolish fantastic little world... At least your way is less laborious. 
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You are really hopeless, so this is the last time I spend a single minute illustrating you. Israel has nuclear capable ballistic missiles since the 60s. Current version has enough range to hit practically any target in the world.
You are welcome.Jericho (missile) - Wikipedia
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About the rest of your post, I don't know what kind of cave have you been living for the last couple of years practicing your political onanism, in any case it must be really deep and dark, because claiming Russian AD is anything comparable to Israel's one, when Ukrainian ultralight aircraft flying at 80 km/h can hit critical targets in Moscow while Israel can intercept 100+ ballistic missiles simultaneously without much issue is worth looking for professional help.
Israel does not have "nuclear capable" ballistic missiles. It allegedly may have some ballisic missiles, which it never tested. The testing serving always as demonstration to other countries. "believed to" in wikipedia is meaningless. It demonstrated some capabilities with low-orbit lauches and that's it. If Israel has any missles capable of carrying a nuclear warhead they would likely be air-launched, to compensate for the very short range of both missiles and planes. Israel did demonstrate some lauches of air-surface missiles that might carry a warhead. Such missiles necessarly (mass) are always short-range, less than a couple thousand kilometers.
If they had any ballistic missiles at all, they just missed the opportunity to demonstrate they had, in the exchange with Iran. Fear of a larger conter-attack by Iran? Or simple lack of capability, of missiles?
Either way, Israel is weaker than it had been depicting itself. That propaganda of strenght was a great asset, one that it lost in this war.
I usually try to avoid descending to your level. But I'll say this: your problem is that you wish to live in a fantasy world of being an obedient client of what you think is the world empire, and also fail to see that this empire never was as strong as it depicted itself and is not failing in several fronts. But keep believing yourself a servant of the masters of the world. Your ego might be greatly hurt if your masters were not so masterful as you wish to believe.
Thorgalaeg
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? Totally invented, baseless paragraph, you don't imagine how silly you sound. Better create your own Wikipedia and call it the Cluelesspedia or something.
Israel ICBM development has a long history which implied France and South Africa, most nuclear powers before and after Israel has "some capabilities in low orbit launches" derivated precisely from ICBM development. You don't get such thing from nothingness. Israel regularly launch 400 kg payloads to LEO using Shavit rockets which is basically a modified Jericho ICBM (in your world it had been developed from ether though). Which is pretty nice, and in fact it could carry more but Israel is the only space capable country which must launch westward, over the Mediterranean, (retrograde), way more difficult than normal prograde launches and launch payload is greatly reduced.
So having the money, the technology and the capability Israel misteriously decided to have a defective nuclear capability and become the only nuclear power without nuclear capable ballistic missiles, even being the most threatened country in the world, even being one of the countries that takes defense more seriously by obvious reasons. I wonder why you keep insisting on such imbecile idea which is not only against all evidence but against all logic. There are things worse than losing an argument, like being a bad loser for instance.
Demonstrate what to who? To you? LoL. Everybody knows Israel has ICBM missiles. But it doesn't need and has never needed ballistic missiles to attack his neighbors Iran included, using drones, cruise missiles and fighters are more than enough to overwhelm enemy AD capabilities, which are Russian made after all, and we see in a regular basis how effective they are against Ukrainian drones and Storm Shadow that repeatly hit Russian most valuable installations in Crimea with total impunity. Israel otoh is an extremely hard egg to crack AD wise, drones and cruise missiles have not a chance, only chance is to launch a large barrage of ballistic missiles hoping for some to pass the Arrow based ABM system, which btw seems pretty effective. There are numerous footage of extra atmospheric interceptions in last Iran attack something never seen before. Too much for "some surface to air launches"
LoL, nice harangue, you think you are very clever uh? To me however you sound like some ignorant spoiled brat lucky enough to have been born in a western democratic country which allows you to spit your vitriol against the very democracy that warrant you the freedom to do so, who thinks society owned him something, embracing every single authoritarian regime that you wrongly perceive as opposed to 'the system' you blame your failures on. I bet I am not very wrong.
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as the "riots in universities" start to resemble the hated hippy days and presumed result of losing the war in Vietnam which otherwise was going perfectly well , it is an unavoidable observation that the "ruling elite" would have taken notice . The spoiled brats of the West daring to talk in this dark hour of Israel seeming impotent or whatever and which horribly makes losers think that there is something wrong with the West , pay attention to what you post so that your rebuttal will not become part of the consent manufacturing . It costs nothing for others to imagine that you are doing it on purpose anyhow .
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? Totally invented, baseless paragraph, you don't imagine how silly you sound. Better create your own Wikipedia and call it the Cluelesspedia or something.
Israel ICBM development has a long history which implied France and South Africa, most nuclear powers before and after Israel has "some capabilities in low orbit launches" derivated precisely from ICBM development. You don't get such thing from nothingness. Israel regularly launch 400 kg payloads to LEO using Shavit rockets which is basically a modified Jericho ICBM (in your world it had been developed from ether though). Which is pretty nice, and in fact it could carry more but Israel is the only space capable country which must launch westward, over the Mediterranean, (retrograde), way more difficult than normal prograde launches and launch payload is greatly reduced.
So having the money, the technology and the capability Israel misteriously decided to have a defective nuclear capability and become the only nuclear power without nuclear capable ballistic missiles, even being the most threatened country in the world, even being one of the countries that takes defense more seriously by obvious reasons. I wonder why you keep insisting on such imbecile idea which is not only against all evidence but against all logic. There are things worse than losing an argument, like being a bad loser for instance.
Demonstrate what to who? To you? LoL. Everybody knows Israel has ICBM missiles. But it doesn't need and has never needed ballistic missiles to attack his neighbors Iran included, using drones, cruise missiles and fighters are more than enough to overwhelm enemy AD capabilities, which are Russian made after all, and we see in a regular basis how effective they are against Ukrainian drones and Storm Shadow that repeatly hit Russian most valuable installations in Crimea with total impunity. Israel otoh is an extremely hard egg to crack AD wise, drones and cruise missiles have not a chance, only chance is to launch a large barrage of ballistic missiles hoping for some to pass the Arrow based ABM system, which btw seems pretty effective. There are numerous footage of extra atmospheric interceptions in last Iran attack something never seen before. Too much for "some surface to air launches"
LoL, nice harangue, you think you are very clever uh? To me however you sound like some ignorant spoiled brat lucky enough to have been born in a western democratic country which allows you to spit your vitriol against the very democracy that warrant you the freedom to do so, who thinks society owned him something, embracing every single authoritarian regime that you wrongly perceive as opposed to 'the system' you blame your failures on. I bet I am not very wrong.
Israel the most threatened nation on Earth? From whose might does this little Israel suffer night terrors from? Which nation is posed to obliterate their people off the face of the Earth? This is overblown nonsense... Ask Taiwan. I agree Israel is likely capable of nuking Moscow, but that was always a dumb point just like the idea of Russia attacking Israel was.... can we drop this already?
Look I get you are spirited in your beliefs, I am as well, but this tone in your response is not productive, and your blind belief in Western Supremacy is misplaced. I disagree with @innonimatu often about the decline of the West and various other things and I think his tone was bordering the line with the fantasy world and ego talk, but your response is mainly ad hominem. Try to just post the facts in a situation like this...
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israel has nuclear capable nuclear missiles , last known threat to be used against this country just after the 99 earthquake when these so called friends of Israel tried to channel the rescue efforts for better PR and merely ended up bolstering the Islamist effort , which in turn led to New Turkey and the ouster of the so called friends of Israel in due course . Israel was indeed nuclear armed to be a French proxy before being hi-jacked by Pentagon and stuff ; because the French lacked both bases and aircraft range , though Ankara should have been rather easier than Moscow .
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