So just today when I open my facebook page, my University friend, who is working in NGO for Environment advocacy and conservation, his FB status is in a huge jeopardy. This is what happened, he post a status that mentioned: "Now everyone looking after oxygen tank, while at the same time you don't realize and give any important to deforestation which is one of the most important source for Oxygen. By loving our nature, we are protecting peoples that we love" He gets so many messages of support but one guy came in and wrote him: "Pretentious! how many tree you already planted?" His friend jump to his defense, he explained that they already do this since University (in organization) till now they are still working in NGO, but he pressing the same question "ok, but how much do you guys planted?" and put another post that saying basically "Don't think that you all did your best, some peoples here might already planted more trees than you guys, blablba". I mean obviously it's impossible to pin-point how many tree they have planted, this question is obviously serve just to negate the real issue and undermined whatever they are doing is trivial compare to "x", or worst if one promoting such idea without doing those work he would just kill his character instantly on the spot, while deforestation is a real issue in Indonesia, but this guy just want to shut-down discussion about this topic. So in the end, they learn that, he was an activist and also a leader of small mining association in Indonesia, that tells us something indeed. So my friend just ending up deleting him from his friend list, which is good. But I found this kind of fallacies quite often, especially among the Indonesian leftish who are very much effected by Maoist thought who abhor exchanging ideas and discussion and put over-emphasis to movement and action. Once when I criticize Indonesian government in one of a discord channel, a leftish activist keep asking me the same question "so if you think our government is bad, what is the solution?" and once in awhile trying to undermine whatever answer I gave him by saying "ahhh that's rhetoric" "that's semantic" and keep stressing the question over and over again until the discussion went really ugly. Another similar phony argumentation like "so what is the action?" "so what are you suggesting we do now? or is this just another intellectual masturbation?" The funny things about that is, many of these peoples are turned into government or corporate goons that used their student organizational experience to manage masses and shut down opposition, of course after we graduate most of us leave activism and get a job or make money, unless if we are making money through our activism, like working in NGO. What do you guys think about it? do you guys also find annoying people like this? do you know them, and what they do, but unable to categorize them and form a way to deal with them effectively? Or do you have a categorization or a way to dealt with them? Thank you for reading!