Unique unit elimination thread

[Pietato]

I think a lot of people need to read the rules again:

- Only strength of units/usefulness is compared. This also includes cost of the units, availability and whether it can evolve from earlier units/to later units.

 

[frubox]

I would also like to point out that people seem to be judging the units in a vacuum. All units make sense in the broader picture regardless of their apparent strength. Case in point the crouching tiger: It's the best city defense unit in the game for a largely peaceful civ = it's awesome at what it's supposed to do. If you judge it harshly because of its range, for example, you are just doing it all wrong. That said, moving on to the votes.

Berserker (Norway) - 2 (5-3) Regardless of the fact that it serves the purpose of pushing for those cities unreachable by the knarr (a sort of plan B), it's just plain ineffective. Sure it plays second fiddle to the other unique unit, but that does not mean it isn't bad.
Conquistador (Spain) - 21
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 21
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 27
Garde Imperiale (France) - 21
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
Hoplite (Greece) - 22
Hwacha (Korea) - 21
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
Immortal (Persia) - 21
Impi (Zulu) - 22 (21+1) eheheh...ahahahahah....AHAHAHAHAHAH...BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! No seriously, it's stupid
Jong (Indonesia) - 23
Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
Legion (Rome) - 26
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 24
Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 7
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 22
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 11
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 14
Sea Dog (England) - 17
Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 11
Samurai (Japan) - 18
Varu (India) - 21
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
War-Cart (Sumer) - 26
Winged Hussar (Poland) - 17

 

[DogeEnricoDandolo]

Berserker (Norway) - 5
Conquistador (Spain) - 21
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 21
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 27
Garde Imperiale (France) - 21
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
Hoplite (Greece) - 22
Hwacha (Korea) - 21
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
Immortal (Persia) - 21
Impi (Zulu) - 21
Jong (Indonesia) - 23
Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
Legion (Rome) - 26
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 24
Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 7-3=4 Why is this unit so damn expensive, almost twice the cost of the regular chariot?
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 22+1=23 Just having a blast with this unit + venetian arsenal in order to win a scientific victory (for an achievement) against mass science Korea.
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 11
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 14
Sea Dog (England) - 17
Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 11
Samurai (Japan) - 18
Varu (India) - 21
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
War-Cart (Sumer) - 26
Winged Hussar (Poland) - 17

 

[sadsquid]

Berserker (Norway) - 5
Conquistador (Spain) - 21
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 21
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 27
Garde Imperiale (France) - 21
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
Hoplite (Greece) - 22
Hwacha (Korea) - 21
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
Immortal (Persia) - 21
Impi (Zulu) - 21
Jong (Indonesia) - 23
Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
Legion (Rome) - 26
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 24+1 = 25 Knights are already great units, but add in no horse requirement and the healing ability? It's fantastic at conquering the AI. One of the best units in the game.
Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 4
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 11-3 = 8 A unique scout? Not very useful in my experience with the unit.
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 14
Sea Dog (England) - 17
Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 11
Samurai (Japan) - 18
Varu (India) - 21
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
War-Cart (Sumer) - 26
Winged Hussar (Poland) - 17

 

[Stomper66]

Berserker (Norway) - 5
Conquistador (Spain) - 21
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 21
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 27
Garde Imperiale (France) - 21
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
Hoplite (Greece) - 22
Hwacha (Korea) - 21
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
Immortal (Persia) - 21
Impi (Zulu) - 21
Jong (Indonesia) - 23
Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
Legion (Rome) - 26
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 4
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 5 (8-3) Just want to see this slightly better recon unit gone from the list
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 20
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 14
Sea Dog (England) - 17
Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 11
Samurai (Japan) - 19 (18+1) The best medieval melee unit in the game. Great at both attacking and defence.
Varu (India) - 21
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
War-Cart (Sumer) - 26
Winged Hussar (Poland) - 17

 

[Victoria]

Berserker (Norway) - 5
Conquistador (Spain) - 21
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 21
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 27
Garde Imperiale (France) - 21
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
Hoplite (Greece) - 22
Hwacha (Korea) - 21
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
Immortal (Persia) - 21
Impi (Zulu) - 21
Jong (Indonesia) - 23
Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
Legion (Rome) - 26
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 1 (4-3) while they have some strength their cost and usefulness over time as well as their promotion issues compared to the rest I say nay.
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 20
Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 5
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21 (20+1) - based on the criteria of the thread, they are strong and free and useful as well as long lasting. Pitati I like also a lot.
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 14
Sea Dog (England) - 17
Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 11
Samurai (Japan) - 19
Varu (India) - 21
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
War-Cart (Sumer) - 26
Winged Hussar (Poland) - 17

 

[gozpel]

Wow, I am rusty! Do I quote or reply? I have my choices ready, but I'm not sure how to put them on the wall, without messing things up? Sorry.

 

[Victoria]

Wow, I am rusty! Do I quote or reply? I have my choices ready, but I'm not sure how to put them on the wall, without messing things up? Sorry.

Copy the last list, make your changes quickly and save.... then make sure you check for any conflicts with anyone else that posted at the same time

 

[gozpel]

Berserker (Norway) - 5
Conquistador (Spain) - 21
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 21
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 27
Garde Imperiale (France) - 21
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
Hoplite (Greece) - 22
Hwacha (Korea) - 21
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
Immortal (Persia) - 21
Impi (Zulu) - 21
Jong (Indonesia) - 23
Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
Legion (Rome) - 26
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
Maryannu Chariot Archer (Egypt) - 1 -3 So let's kill kill them.
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21 +1 I have played Congo a few times, and they eat those archers from Egypt.
Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 5
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 14
Sea Dog (England) - 17
Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 11
Samurai (Japan) - 19
Varu (India) - 21
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
War-Cart (Sumer) - 26
Winged Hussar (Poland) - 17

 

[gozpel]

Ty Victoria, I didn't get all the new things in the menues, but I will try tomorrow.

 

[Victoria]

Ty Victoria, I didn't get all the new things in the menues, but I will try tomorrow.

You can edit your post tomorrow or the next person will fix your wrong bits in their post but cannot change your post... so if you can change now it helps others

 

[gozpel]

I think I fixed it, can you pls check?

 

[Victoria]

I think I fixed it, can you pls check?

Pink and blue, lovely and dangerous, love the contention whether it be intended or not.

 

[drubell]

In general, I think I would eliminate the UUs that only unlock from the civic tree because you can't upgrade into them and it also forces you to keep your culture up higher than you may like otherwise. The only exception for me might be Redcoats since you can get free ones.

Any swordsman replacement should stick around for a while. Even the Georgia swordsman (though it was already eliminated) because you don't need to find iron to make swordsmen which is a big deal when you likely are still growing cities. I have a big soft spot for any swordsman UU because of that, even if it's the Kongo swordsman which is a little junky.

I don't see the Eagle Warrior not winning. A very powerful UU for a very powerful civ.

 

[RockTheCazbah87]

Berserker (Norway) - 5
Conquistador (Spain) - 21
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 21
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 27
Garde Imperiale (France) - 21
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
Hoplite (Greece) - 22
Hwacha (Korea) - 21
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
Immortal (Persia) - 21
Impi (Zulu) - 21
Jong (Indonesia) - 23
Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
Legion (Rome) - 26
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 5
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 14
Sea Dog (England) - 17
Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 8 (11-3): From how I would set up for war and to take cities, I'm pretty sure I would rather use archers (later crossbows) to support Scythia's horseman rush. It's not the range I dislike, it's that the SHA can't be upgraded until Ballistics.
Samurai (Japan) - 19
Varu (India) - 22 (21+1): Just having a couple on the frontline makes every skirmish easier.
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
War-Cart (Sumer) - 26
Winged Hussar (Poland) - 17

 

[Pietato]

In general, I think I would eliminate the UUs that only unlock from the civic tree because you can't upgrade into them and it also forces you to keep your culture up higher than you may like otherwise. The only exception for me might be Redcoats since you can get free ones.

Any swordsman replacement should stick around for a while. Even the Georgia swordsman (though it was already eliminated) because you don't need to find iron to make swordsmen which is a big deal when you likely are still growing cities. I have a big soft spot for any swordsman UU because of that, even if it's the Kongo swordsman which is a little junky.

I don't see the Eagle Warrior not winning. A very powerful UU for a very powerful civ.

The Georgia UU is not a Swordsman replacement, and cannot be upgraded to.

 

[The Highwayman]

Berserker (Norway) - 5
Conquistador (Spain) - 21
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 21
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 28 (27 + 1) Strong starting unit that converts enemies to ultra useful builders, meaning free districts, magnus chops, or luxury improvements. And you get one for free. Easily top 5, could win it all.
Garde Imperiale (France) - 21
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
Hoplite (Greece) - 22
Hwacha (Korea) - 21
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
Immortal (Persia) - 21
Impi (Zulu) - 21
Jong (Indonesia) - 23
Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
Legion (Rome) - 26
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 5
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 14
Sea Dog (England) - 14 (17-3) The Civilpedia should read: “Can capture units the AI rarely builds. No other strengths.” Every Civ gets era score from their UU, so that doesn’t count. Doesn’t make England better in any way, and they need tons of help after the nerf bat.
Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 8
Samurai (Japan) - 19
Varu (India) - 22
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
War-Cart (Sumer) - 26
Winged Hussar (Poland) - 17

 

[Rosty K]

A vote from earlier up the page was skipped by others, so my numbers may not exactly match the previous vote. They should be correct though.

Berserker (Norway) - -1 (2 - 3) ELIMINATED. Basically, has the same problem as Khevsur - very situational, is at the dead end tech, can't be upgraded to, already obsolete when you get to them. Well, at least there is some use for them in the right situation, which probably explains why Khevsur went earlier.
Conquistador (Spain) - 21
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 21
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 28
Garde Imperiale (France) - 21
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
Hoplite (Greece) - 22
Hwacha (Korea) - 21
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20
Immortal (Persia) - 21
Impi (Zulu) - 22
Jong (Indonesia) - 24 (23 + 1) - Pushing this one up in the apparently rather tight 'best ship' part of the competition. Because it is the best of them
Keshig (Mongolia) - 20
Legion (Rome) - 26
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 25
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Okihtcitaw (Cree) - 5
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 27
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 14
Sea Dog (England) - 14
Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 8
Samurai (Japan) - 19
Varu (India) - 22
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 21
War-Cart (Sumer) - 26
Winged Hussar (Poland) - 17

Just had a quick thought that it could be fun if I could try a Jong/Berserker pair

 

[Kimiimaro]

@frubox' vote was skipped. Berserker is dead now, and Impi should have 22 points.

 

[Stomper66]

Jong (Indonesia) - 24 (23 + 1) - Pushing this one up in the apparently rather tight 'best ship' part of the competition. Because it is the best of them

It was until the De Zeven Provinciën entered the room