Unique unit elimination thread

[Mr. Shadows]

I checked and made the appropriate corrections, so it should be okay now.

 

[NauticalStrike]

Conquistador (Spain) - 21
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 22
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
Garde Imperiale (France) - 22
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20
Hoplite (Greece) - 22 + 1 = 23 Not the strongest unit, but very fun for its time, and its bonus has a tactics edge to it. Great against AI Saka Horse Archer rush.
Hwacha (Korea) - 22 fixed
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 20 - 3 = 17 Maybe it's just me, but I've never seen much use for them. Hetairoi are better and have a better ability, much rather just build them.
Immortal (Persia) - 18
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 11
Sea Dog (England) - 5 fixed
Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 2
Varu (India) - 22
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 18
War-Cart (Sumer) - 28

 

[Eliminator_Sr]

Conquistador (Spain) - 21
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 22
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
Garde Imperiale (France) - 22
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 20 + 1 = 21 (Needs some love - I like units that give you GG points and the early availability and mobility make it perfect for steamrolling your early neighbors)
Hoplite (Greece) - 23
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 17
Immortal (Persia) - 18
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 11 - 3 = 8 (Just for the extra insult of having to deal with two stupid and pointless unique units, at least make one of them useful)
Sea Dog (England) - 5 fixed
Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - 2
Varu (India) - 22
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 18
War-Cart (Sumer) - 28

 

[DWilson]

Conquistador (Spain) - 21
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 22
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
Garde Imperiale (France) - 22
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 21
Hoplite (Greece) - 23
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 17
Immortal (Persia) - 19 = 18+1 : Archers that are stronger and more durable, and can also take cities. Beautiful.
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 8
Sea Dog (England) - 5
Saka Horse Archer (Scythia) - -1 = 2-3 ELIMINATED : Just inconvenient to make effective use of. I don't really care for 1 tile ranged units.
Varu (India) - 22
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 18
War-Cart (Sumer) - 28

 

[OneMoreTurnPerTile]

I really don't think the immortals can take cities anymore.

 

[Pietato]

I really don't think the immortals can take cities anymore.

This is correct. March update killed the unit.

 

[Weraptor]

Conquistador (Spain) - 21 + 1 = 22 I really like their dynamic.
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 22
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
Garde Imperiale (France) - 22
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 21
Hoplite (Greece) - 23
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 17
Immortal (Persia) - 19
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 8
Sea Dog (England) - 5 - 3 = 2 Never even built it.
Varu (India) - 22
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 18
War-Cart (Sumer) - 28

 

[Stomper66]

Conquistador (Spain) - 23 (22+1) Going to give this underrated unit another boost for reasons previously explained.
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 22
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 22
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
Garde Imperiale (France) - 22
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 21
Hoplite (Greece) - 23
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 14 (17-3) Not much better than a swordsman. Very rarely fight in districts.
Immortal (Persia) - 19
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 8
Sea Dog (England) - 2
Varu (India) - 22
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 18
War-Cart (Sumer) - 28

 

[frubox]

Conquistador (Spain) - 23
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 22
Digger (Australia) - 20
Domrey (Khmer) - 19 (22-3) I just don't know how and when to use them as the khmer. A siege unit for a largely peaceful civ. Also, not even that good imo
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
Garde Imperiale (France) - 22
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 21
Hoplite (Greece) - 23
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 14
Immortal (Persia) - 19
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 8
Sea Dog (England) - 2
Varu (India) - 23 (22+1) let's show this guys some lovepoint. Especially since chandragupta joined the cast, their extremely low production cost for the punch they pack make them probably the strongest unit baseline in their era
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 18
War-Cart (Sumer) - 28

 

[Siptah]

Conquistador (Spain) - 23
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 22
Digger (Australia) - 17 (20-3) The digger as a solid unit, quite powerful on island maps. I just think that it doesn't matter that much at the time it comes around.
Domrey (Khmer) - 19
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
Garde Imperiale (France) - 22
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 21
Hoplite (Greece) - 23
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 14
Immortal (Persia) - 19
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 23
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 8
Sea Dog (England) - 2
Varu (India) - 24 (23+1) If you ever faced a Varu army in classical era (especially in multiplayer) you know that they are definitely top 10 material, maybe even top 5.
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 18
War-Cart (Sumer) - 28

Are we sure that the Immortal was nerfed back to its original state? I didn't find it in any patch notes.

 

[Turrdy]

Conquistador (Spain) - 23
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 22
Digger (Australia) - 17
Domrey (Khmer) - 19
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
Garde Imperiale (France) - 22
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 21
Hoplite (Greece) - 20 (23-3) It's just a special spearman, inferior to any other non-anti-cav-melee-unit. No base strength added and the bonus it gets isn't that good either imo, because it forces you to build more than one unit to get the bonus (all other UU get the bonus with one unit built)
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 14
Immortal (Persia) - 19
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 24 (23+1) Really strong and comes very early compared to the battleship which it replaces
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 8
Sea Dog (England) - 2
Varu (India) - 24
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 18
War-Cart (Sumer) - 28

 

[Laurana Kanan]

Are we sure that the Immortal was nerfed back to its original state? I didn't find it in any patch notes.

Yes, see here, & here.
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Conquistador (Spain) - 23
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 23 (22+1) - Amazingly powerful, especially with island starts.
Digger (Australia) - 17
Domrey (Khmer) - 19
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
Garde Imperiale (France) - 22
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 21
Hoplite (Greece) - 20
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 14
Immortal (Persia) - 16 (19-3) - Worthless after Melee ability changed back to pre-Fall 2017 patch state.
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 24
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 8
Sea Dog (England) - 2
Varu (India) - 24
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 18
War-Cart (Sumer) - 28

 

[Timothy001]

Conquistador (Spain) - 23
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 23
Digger (Australia) - 17
Domrey (Khmer) - 19
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30 (29+1). Love the free workers. You start with it. + Era score (triple win)
Garde Imperiale (France) - 22
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 21
Hoplite (Greece) - 20
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 14
Immortal (Persia) - 16
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 24
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 8
Sea Dog (England) - -1 ELIMINATED (2-3). Sorry, but the fact its special ability only works a fraction of the time.
Varu (India) - 24
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 18
War-Cart (Sumer) - 28

 

[The Highwayman]

New
Conquistador (Spain) - 23
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 23
Digger (Australia) - 17
Domrey (Khmer) - 19
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
Garde Imperiale (France) - 19 (22-3) While they're solid defensive units, your continent should either be wiped clean or you've established such a strong foothold that the AI poses no threat. They have to be hard built. Not too good for offensive campaigns since they're slow melee units and won't get their +10 combat advantage. Meanwhile, its counterpart, the Redcoat, gets its bonus on foreign lands and spawn for free for each conq---oh wait....sorry...is it too soon?
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 22 (21+1) Horse rushes can be awesome. This one has a zero resource requirement, starts with a free promo, has a better promo tree (IMO) than light cavalry, and spawns GGs through natural play. And it upgrades to knights. Top ten is a given.
Hoplite (Greece) - 20
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 14
Immortal (Persia) - 16
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 24
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 8
Varu (India) - 24
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 18
War-Cart (Sumer) - 28

 

[Rosty K]

Conquistador (Spain) - 23
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 23
Digger (Australia) - 17
Domrey (Khmer) - 19
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
Garde Imperiale (France) - 19
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 22
Hoplite (Greece) - 20
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 14
Immortal (Persia) - 16
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 24
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 5 ( 8 - 3 ) - Well, if they appeared earlier, then maybe...
Varu (India) - 24
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 19 (18 + 1) - An early raider ship can make a huge difference. Get more huts, snatch civilians captured by the barbarians without walking into Mordor, etc. Though needs a right map, but that's true for the whole Norway design.
War-Cart (Sumer) - 28

I'd like to say a word in defense of the Okwhateveraw (the Cree unit). A stronger scout, or a faster warrior is a good idea, but fair enough, these would be much better if they were on the warrior promotion line, not scout.

 

[gozpel]

Conquistador (Spain) - 23
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 23
Digger (Australia) - 17
Domrey (Khmer) - 19
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
Garde Imperiale (France) - 19
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 22
Hoplite (Greece) - 20
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 14
Immortal (Persia) - 16
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 24
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 2 (5-3) Just too late to do them justice.
Varu (India) - 24
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 19
War-Cart (Sumer) - 29 (28+1) Only a couple of civs can counter this in the early game, if they don't.....

 

[Kimiimaro]

Conquistador (Spain) - 23
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 23
Digger (Australia) - 17
Domrey (Khmer) - 19
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
Garde Imperiale (France) - 19
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 22
Hoplite (Greece) - 20
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 14 - Doesn't Hypaspist's "fighting in a district" bonus also count against the city center?
Immortal (Persia) - 16
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 24
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Rough Rider (America/Teddy Roosevelt) - 2-3=-1 (ELIMINATED) - I'll end Rough Rider's suffering suffering.
Varu (India) - 24
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 19
War-Cart (Sumer) - 29+1=30 - Putting this at the same level as Eagle warrior. It's also available from the very first turn of the game, doesn't suffer penalties against anti cavarly units and has 30 strength and it comes for a reasonable price.

 

[MantaRevan]

Conquistador (Spain) - 23
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 23
Digger (Australia) - 14 (17-3)
Comes too late for me to care at all. Australia has probably already established their dominance by now.
Domrey (Khmer) - 19
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
Garde Imperiale (France) - 19
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 22
Hoplite (Greece) - 20
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 14
Immortal (Persia) - 17 (16+1)
It's silly to see people judging units like Immortals or Maryannus based off the unit they replace rather than the unit they actually are. Maryannu aren't chariots, they're archers, so comparing them to chariots is silly. Likewise complaining that Immortals are swordsmen who can't take cities is similarly silly since the Immortal is a transformative unit and not just a swordsmen. You can build entire armies based around these guys and they come at the right time to get Persia's ball rolling. They are part of the reason Persia is so good.
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) - 21
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 24
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Varu (India) - 24
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 19
War-Cart (Sumer) - 30

 

[BarbarianHunter]

Conquistador (Spain) - 23
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 23
Digger (Australia) – 14

Domrey (Khmer) - 19
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
Garde Imperiale (France) - 19
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 22
Hoplite (Greece) - 20
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 14
Immortal (Persia) – 14 (17-3=14) --- Lack of ability to take a city makes the unit near useless relative to upgradability and cost.
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) – 22 (21+1=22) --- Ability to escort a siege tower with a movement of 5 is devastating in the early mid game.
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 24
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Varu (India) - 24
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 19
War-Cart (Sumer) - 30

 

[Karmah]

Conquistador (Spain) - 23
Cossack (Russia) - 22
De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 23
Digger (Australia) – 14 -3 =11 I don't remember much about them ,that's enough said. They can be usefull .....for era score.
Domrey (Khmer) - 19
Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
Garde Imperiale (France) - 19
Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 22
Hoplite (Greece) - 20
Hwacha (Korea) - 22
Hypaspist (Macedon) - 14
Immortal (Persia) – 14 +1=15 I can't stand to look at immortal being trashed. Strong range and I take my cities with war carts which are gonna be usefull soo enough. They are a lot of trash unit left ,immortal is an asset , maybe not as strong as it used to be but still an asset !
Impi (Zulu) - 19
Jong (Indonesia) - 25
Keshig (Mongolia) – 22
Legion (Rome) - 27
Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 23
Mamluk (Arabia) - 26
Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 24
Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 21
Pítati Archer (Nubia) - 28
Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 21
Varu (India) - 24
Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 19
War-Cart (Sumer) - 30