Unique Units elimination thread

[Mesix]

We are down to the top 10 (and I'm bored before lunch), so I will vote today:

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 23
Chu-Ko-Nu 36
Horse Archer 5
Janissary 40 (-3)
Keshik 39
Longbowman 46
Minutemen 34 (+1)
Sea Beggar 14
Ship of the Line 33

Minutemen are the best. from the mid game to the end, I get melee units which ignore terrain movement penalties and have +1 sight! This is especially great as the get xp and upgrades to become Mechanized Infantry which attack multiple times each turn.

I am taking the Janissary down a notch. It is a good unit, but not as good as the Minuteman. They will be even less appealing after the patch when any unit can heal by pillaging and their unique power becomes less unique.

 

[Crafty Bison]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 23
Chu-Ko-Nu 36
Horse Archer 5
Janissary 40
Keshik 40
Longbowman 46
Minutemen 34
Sea Beggar 14
Ship of the Line 30

I've previously taken points off the CKN for confusing the UU with the UA, now I shall do the same for the SoTL. The civ gets synergy points, but this is a UU elimination thread. It's great, but what's the difference between England with frigates? They still take just as long to get to logistics, and are more powerful but not game breaking in cs difference. If I were England, I'd prefer to get the logistics early with dromons.

Keshik. I've up voted them before. Doing it again. Cos it's the best UU.

 

[duhu]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 23
Chu-Ko-Nu 36
Horse Archer 5
Janissary 41
Keshik 40
Longbowman 43
Minutemen 34
Sea Beggar 14
Ship of the Line 30

Janissary same as before...Longbowman bc the additional range becomes ridiculous when upgrade, makes it boring to use in later stages.

 

[Gucumatz]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20 (-3) Its the least game changing of the UUs left in my opinion. March + Medic is nice for sure - but its a rifle replacement and that lineage loses a lot of its luster very soon
Chu-Ko-Nu 36
Horse Archer 6 (+1) Its a super cheap super powerful unit. Doesn't take long to make these and they can compete effectively up until the early stages of enemies with crossbows. In multiplayer these things are just deadly.
Janissary 41
Keshik 40
Longbowman 43
Minutemen 34
Sea Beggar 14
Ship of the Line 30

 

[Dreadnought]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 36
Horse Archer 6
Janissary 41
Keshik 40
Longbowman 43
Minutemen 35 (+1)
Sea Beggar 11 (-3)
Ship of the Line 30

Sea Begger: Worse than the Dromon, privateers work just as well. Give me the Ship of the Line over the Sea Beggar any day.

Minuteman: great synergy with the UA, also good when you need to rush buy because of the first line promotion. And free movement during war is insanely OP, even if only in rough terrain. First to Little Round Top, anyone?

 

[Lordleoz]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 36
Horse Archer 6
Janissary 41
Keshik 37
Longbowman 44
Minutemen 35
Sea Beggar 11
Ship of the Line 30

lbm: powerful UU, also involves very interesting tactics.

keshik: not bad, just doesn't deserve 40 points, I think. Its ranged combat is weaker than crossbow and it loses almost all promotions when upgraded into cavalry.

 

[Seabastian Civ]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 36
Horse Archer 7 (+1) Insanely powerful during its era, as it should be. Easy to get 2 hits, 3 range, move after attacking. Nothing can stand in its way. Poor upgrades be damned, these guys staright up end games.
Janissary 41
Keshik 37
Longbowman 44
Minutemen 35
Sea Beggar 8 (-3) The worst UU left. Sorry buddy, you're great, but you don't get anything special. You're a privateer with 2 free upgrades. Privateers < Frigates.
Ship of the Line 30

 

[Snoopaloop]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 36
Horse Archer 7
Janissary 41
Keshik 37
Longbowman 45
Minutemen 35
Sea Beggar 5
Ship of the Line 30


+1 Longbow - +1 range to start makes this unit an offensive power against the AI.
-3 Sea Beggar - A nicely promoted privateer. Not as useful as anything else on the list.

 

[jacksone7]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 37 (+1)
Horse Archer 7
Janissary 41
Keshik 37
Longbowman 42 (-3)
Minutemen 35
Sea Beggar 5
Ship of the Line 30

Because with 2 attacks a CKN will get to the range promotion before a LBM gets to the logistics promotion.

 

[whyidie]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 37 (+1)
Horse Archer 7
Janissary 41
Keshik 37
Longbowman 42 (-3)
Minutemen 35
Sea Beggar 2
Ship of the Line 31

Down - Early supporter of the Sea Beggar. Unique and fun to play due to early supply promotion, but hard to find a weaker unit on the list. It made the top 10. Good enough pig, good enough.

Up - Having a main force of SoL trumps a main force of Beggars. Lack of iron makes it a close call, but domination happens with SoL, and having them around to upgrade to Battleships is powerful.

 

[Skibbi]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 38
Horse Archer 7
Janissary 41
Keshik 37 It's fast, i'll give it that. It can move after attacking, that's great. But it's as fast as the much stronger companion cavalry and only slightly faster than the horseman.
Longbowman 39
Minutemen 35
Sea Beggar 2
Ship of the Line 31 Tremendously strong, in combination with naval melee units, in its time, it's the equivalent of a GDR in future.

 

[Tabarnak]

This is an attempt at a peace treaty, after the recent "war of the dromon".

My Dromons are dead Peace accepted

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 38
Horse Archer 4
Janissary 41
Keshik 34
Longbowman 40
Minutemen 35
Sea Beggar 2
Ship of the Line 32

Longbowman : Can defend well against ship invasions. Good synergy with the GW(can delay Dynamite in some occasions)

Horse Archer : They are good in sp i agree but in mp they are average. Quick speed make them obsolete faster and can't keep their promos when upgraded to Knights. They also only have 7 to defend themselves(3 CBs can kill in 1 turn one of these guys)

 

[Petiscator]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 39
Horse Archer 4
Janissary 41
Keshik 34
Longbowman 40
Minutemen 32
Sea Beggar 2
Ship of the Line 32

Chu-Ko-Nu: it is awesome. Although it is a bit weaker, when it is upgraded it becomes a normal-strenghtened demon. These guys rule, even more in comparison to Longbowman. I agree, LB is great, but the line of sight is usually a problem

Minutemen: Hmm... it is a tough choice. For starters, I preffer ship units. Just my personal opinion. Second, I agree that this unit rules and that the no movement cost is nice, but I find it worse than the other abillities. It deserves to be in the top 10 for sure, but, IMO, not in the Top 5. It is nice that it is carried on upgrades, but, comparing to the other musket replacement, these guys are much worse than the Janissary. What do I choose: bonus on attacking and heals completely (I'm talking about before the patch) upon killing an enemy or no movement penalties? For me, it is the first option.

 

[Wabango]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 39
Horse Archer 1
Janissary 41
Keshik 35
Longbowman 40
Minutemen 32
Sea Beggar 2
Ship of the Line 32

 

[amebob]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Cho-Ko-Nu 40 (+1)
Horse Archer 1
Janissary 41
Keshik 35
Longbowman 40
Minutemen 32
Sea Beggar 0 (-3)
Ship of the Line 32
Good bye to the sea beggar! Though it is nice that it starts out with supply, it is very difficult to take cities without substantial frigate support.
The CKN is one of my fav units, fast promotions are always great

 

[theguy8882]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 40
Horse Archer -2
Janissary 41
Keshik 35
Longbowman 40
Minutemen 32
Sea Beggar 2
Ship of the Line 32

The Chu Ko Nu because it has blitz and it's new upgrade path is great

The horse archer because it goes obsolete to fast and has a bad upgrade path.

 

[The_J]

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Cho-Ko-Nu 40 (+1)
Horse Archer 1
Janissary 41
Keshik 35
Longbowman 40
Minutemen 32
Sea Beggar 0 (-3)
Ship of the Line 32
Good bye to the sea beggar! Though it is nice that it starts out with supply, it is very difficult to take cities without substantial frigate support.
The CKN is one of my fav units, fast promotions are always great

This post was caught in the modeartion queue.
Correct values (with the moderated and the previous post):

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 41
Horse Archer 0
Janissary 41
Keshik 35
Longbowman 40
Minutemen 32
Sea Beggar 0
Ship of the Line 32

 

[Lordleoz]

a mistake here.

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 37 (+1)
Horse Archer 7
Janissary 41
Keshik 37
Longbowman 42 (-3)
Minutemen 35
Sea Beggar 2
Ship of the Line 31

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 40
Janissary 41
Keshik 35
Longbowman 43
Minutemen 32
Ship of the Line 32

 

[Tabarnak]

Thanks Lordleoz. Ok so now we are down to 8 UUs. Numbers are pretty high right now, so i decided that the vote system will be changed. Next poster, please copy and paste this whole part :

vote system has been changed--->+1, -4

Camel Archer 30
Carolean 20
Chu-Ko-Nu 40
Janissary 41
Keshik 35
Longbowman 43
Minutemen 32
Ship of the Line 32

 

[Tachii]

Jesus, pillaging heals 25HP? Man this single handedly made me interested in the new patch. I thought I finally got over CiV but it looks like I'm back again. Some of the patches looks game changing.

As for the thread, going just as expected. I'm still in the CKN camp since +1 attack > +1 range due to quicker promotion and just more damage. The +1 range gets wonky when just one hill/forest/jungle tile could negate the bonus.

Ship of the line is good... but compared to the UUs now which all offer something ridiculously special to their original unit, it isn't that particular good.

Regardless of the pillage thing that will be implemented, I still like Caroleans. In fact, with the pillage thing, they will probably become nearly invincible.

vote system has been changed--->+1, -4
Camel Archer 30
Carolean 21
Chu-Ko-Nu 41
Janissary 41
Keshik 35
Longbowman 40
Minutemen 32
Ship of the Line 28