Unit Request Thread

[JFD]

Staring to convert sailing ships for those who were after them. Link here to War Galleon.

One thing I stumbled across is hidden units in Civ 5 like the galleon which must have been added by DLC. I wonder what other units there are we could use that I am unaware of.

Great. I'll definitely have some use for this. Thanks

The Galleon is used in the New World scenario, as a unique embarkation graphic for the Western civs (or just Spain, I can't recall).

 

[Civitar]

Other useful "hidden" units (i.e. units only used by scenarios or not used any more): Hittite War Chariot for melee chariot, Sumerian Phalanx for more military-looking spearman (holds spear upright and shield at attention at all times), Union/Confederate Artillery, either kind, that has a bigger boom and three crewmen rather than one, Union/Confederate Pistol Cavalry for pistol-using mounted units, plus Spanish Treasure Cart for some odd civilian animations (two guys pushing a small cart that looks way too heavy for its size).

 

[Wolfdog]

I have converted the Carrack from Civ4/EE2. Link here.

Are there any requests for any other type of sailing ship?

 

[JFD]

I have converted the Carrack from Civ4/EE2. Link here.

Are there any requests for any other type of sailing ship?

I have three requests that would be very helpful, but feel free to do as many, or as few, of them as you're willing (of course).

Most importantly would be this, the Galleon in the top right of the first picture, which'll be used for my Denmark-Norway civ that I hope to release soon-ish.

Second, the ship on the lower right in the second picture here, to eventually replace the Streltsy (that you converted) in my Peter the Great mod (which'll be re-purposed into a Muscovy civ).

And thirdly, would you consider converting this Chinese Junk Ship? It's not exactly along the same line as the ships you've been converting, but it might still interest you. It would be useful for my eventual Chinese Dynasties split to serve as the graphic for the unique Great Admiral, but as this is much further away, is of less importance.

Any of these would be really appreciated, thanks

 

[Wolfdog]

Yeah no worries. It may take a few weeks as I don't have that much spare time to work on units.

 

[JFD]

Yeah no worries. It may take a few weeks as I don't have that much spare time to work on units.

No problem; Muscovy and the Chinese Dynasties are a while off, and I have plenty to update before Denmark-Norway. Take your time, and thanks

 

[bane_]

I would like to second the junk ship, as I need EVERY asian-looking unit I can get my hands on.

 

[regalman]

Hi! Will anyone be able to make this naval unit for the yuan civ? It is meant to replace the Galleass: http://www.chinaculture.org/img/2005-06/21/xinsrc_0206022116037952654543.jpg

 

[Kiang]

Third-ing the request for a Junk. Thanks, Wolfdog! =)

 

[Pazyryk]

I'm looking for all pre-industrial ships. I've only found Wolfdog's Carrack. Are there any others I should be aware of, including hidden DLC units? (I know about Polynesian war canoe.)

 

[Wolfdog]

I have finished the War Junk. Link here.

Are there any others I should be aware of, including hidden DLC units? (I know about Polynesian war canoe.)

I'm not sure I didn't even know there was a Galleon till a couple of weeks ago. But I think the problem is (looking at Wikipedia and my knowledge is limited in this area) is that most of the ships of those eras are not war ships more cargo vessels.

 

[Civitar]

Not exactly hidden, but maybe the Portuguese Nau? Its fxsxml is "u_portugal_carrack.fxsxml". Apart from the easily removed cross on the sails, it's pretty generic looking, so could maybe be used for embarked units? It looks exactly like you would expect a generic fantasy ship to look like, and I hate, hate, hate the stupid little boats that they put ancient embarked units on - plus with the boxes on deck it could easily have a bunch of weaponry and troops aboard.
Maybe you could use this as the human embarked graphics, with the Galleass as the elf embarkation?

 

[Pazyryk]

, and I hate, hate, hate the stupid little boats that they put ancient embarked units on

Not that I want them for anything, but strangely enough I can't even find the ART_DEF files for these. I was trying to find them simply to understand embarkation mechanics (which involves a lot of hard-coding).

However, it appears that player:SetEmbarkedGraphicOverride("ART_DEF ... ") should work. So that makes it easy to change and update (e.g., with specific tech discoveries) by Lua. I was hoping to be able to set specific embarkation graphics for individual units, but that appears to be hardcoded in gDLL so not even possible with dll modding.

I haven't had time to look at these but I also found in DB:
ART_DEF_UNIT_GALLEY (separate from ART_DEF_UNIT_GALLEY_BARBARIAN, so I assume maybe it doesn't have the barb sail)
ART_DEF_UNIT_GALLEASS (is this used in a DLC or scenario?)
(spelling from memory so don't trust)
Then we have Wolfdog's Carrack and Junk. I assumed that Wofog's Carrack was the same as Portuguese Nau without civ specific sail. Is that not correct?

I discovered that the Longboats was DLC only (not hidden, just absent), so I can't use that.

So those above plus base units and some UUs are all we have, I believe.

 

[Nutty]

GALLEY is the early embarked, GALLEON is the midgame embarked, and TRANSPORT is the late. GALLEASS is an early ranged naval unit in the base game.

 

[Civitar]

Wolfdog's Carrack is not quite the same as the Nau, it gives the impression of being smaller and sleeker, which makes me want to use it as an actual unit of its own. The Nau basically looks like a big transport.

 

[Pazyryk]

Well that solves a mystery for me. I agree with Civtar that the early embarked unit looks stupid. I don't remember what the mid ("galleon") embarked looks like off the top of my head. That leaves us with very few pre-industrial navy units if one excludes pay-DLC:

--melee
Barathor's Galley (has three-petal symbol on sail that I don't want, but OK)
Trireme
Carthage Quinquereme
Wolfdog's Carrack (same as Portuguese Nau without nationality sail? [Edit: not same])
Sea Beggar
Caravel
Privateer

--ranged
Galleass
Great Galleass
Byzantine Dromon
Frigate
Wolfdog's War Galleon (ranged animation?)
English Ship of the Line

--Asian flavor (not sure if ranged or melee -- I guess can be made to work either way?)
Turtle Ship
Wolfdog's Junk

Could someone maybe reskin a Barb Galley for me so I could have an ancient ship before Trireme? I think I can get by with the rest, although more is always welcome.

Edit (after seeing Civtar's post):
Maybe I should use Nau as embarked graphic after Navigation. (Ideally, we would want the sail decoration removed.) But what to use for early embarked?

 

[Tarmont]

Could someone maybe reskin a Barb Galley for me so I could have an ancient ship before Trireme? I think I can get by with the rest, although more is always welcome.

Like this one?

 

[Pazyryk]

Like this one?

Thanks! I wish it didn't have the "three petal" symbol on the sail. But I'll take it.

Also found Wolfdog's War Galleon (added to my list above). He mentioned a hidden DLC galleon, but I don't see it in my DB (there's only the embarked "galleon" graphic).

 

[Wolfdog]

I assumed that Wofog's Carrack was the same as Portuguese Nau without civ specific sail. Is that not correct?

This is the Carrack from EE2 I think and it has a few civ specific sails.

Wolfdog's War Galleon (ranged animation?)

Yes this has ranged animations.

Also found Wolfdog's War Galleon (added to list above). He mentioned a hidden DLC galleon, but I don't see it in my DB (there's only the embarked "galleon" graphic).

I think it is a UU for the Spanish in a scenario, but I don't know which one.

 

[Nutty]

I think it is a UU for the Spanish in a scenario, but I don't know which one.

ART_DEF_UNIT_U_SPANISH_GALLEON is used as the embarked model in the Conquest of the New World Scenario--and CNW Deluxe, so it should be available to anyone with BNW.